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Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.

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Kelcat9494 · 05/07/2020 11:35

Hello,

Firstly I want to say I am not attacking anyone on this forum and I expect the same respect as we are all entitled to an opinion and I am genuinely interested in the reasons why transgender people get so much hate on here:

Firstly I see a lot about not wanting to share bathrooms with trans women as it's a women's safe space - I don't really understand this because to be honest when I'm sat in the cubicle doing my business, I don't think about the persons genitals next to me, it's all very private as you know. The only thing we'd share is the sinks and I don't see a problem with that really. I did read a post about a abuse survivor not wanting to the share the bathroom with someone with a penis (I'm really sorry that the person went through the abuse but that isn't trans people's fault, the fault is with the abuser alone) but in reality a trans person is more at risk in the bathroom and you have no idea whether they are pre op or post op as again in the bathrooms I've been in we don't show each other our genitalia. They are genuinely just doing their human business in the same room as you so don't understand the problem, actually I suppose people are afraid some odd men would use being transgender as an excuse to use the woman's bathroom but that's not trans women's fault also by this logic if we don't want trans women in the bathroom then we should have transmen in there (either pre op or post op), I've posted some pictures below of transmen and woman, would you really want the trans women in men's bathroom and the transmen in the womens?? (I can only post three but you get my point).

I know JKRowling posted about periods and a lot of people jumped on it to say only women have periods and whatever, this isn't true though is it? Some biological women aren't able to have periods or carry a pregnancy or be able to give birth so if we don't see that as a problem as we recognise it's a biological issue then why is trans-men having a period a problem and trans women not having one an issue? And who actually cares? There's enough tampax to go around, maybe let's focus on making them free for women and transmen as I for one is sick of paying for a "luxury item" I need every month due to no fault of my own.

I can't think of anymore off the top of my head that's been posted but anything in the comments I'm happy to reply to but I genuinely think this forum needs to consider what transgender people actually go through, imagine not feeling like you're in the right body, being attacked and hated for who you are and it's obviously not for fun and games because transgender people actually commit suicide over the issues they face remember #bekind and really think how sharing a bathroom or sharing a tampax would affect you? I don't think you'd kill yourself over it.

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Sootybear · 05/07/2020 13:49

I'm not sure if the link works, but I've just read this,
drive.google.com/file/d/1py9MZpSTBYIEnxZOT3RlSbs7yLa6e6Tr/view?usp=drivesdk
Basically it's about the negative impact of transgender ideology on women and children. It's worth a read, and some very interesting points are made. It's written by Joanna Williams and was published very recently. There is no hate in it, just a recognition that the ideology is very damaging to women and children.

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Kelcat9494 · 05/07/2020 13:47

@Winesalot

OP.

Do you have a suggestion on how to navigate sex based discrimination in employment? I brought up a couple of examples up thread. It would be interesting to know your point of view?

Or do you think this is only about loos?

Hi, as I've mentioned in quite a few update posts there was obviously very pressing issues I didn't know or think about and I'm trying to educate myself on them now.
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FantaOra · 05/07/2020 13:45

images.app.goo.gl/Zty8thQ6QBtufLqx7

Which of the two people centre right are male and female. Not so tricky to see without a carefully posed and cropped shot.

Durgasarrow · 05/07/2020 13:45

P.S. Nobody hates trans people here.

Sparklfairy · 05/07/2020 13:44

If trans people feel unsafe in public toilets, then let them campaign for their own facilities - not force their way into women's

This is the point. Trans people trying to get away from men and male violence by using our spaces because there's no men in there is a very valid reason... However, those same men can now follow you into our spaces so you're not safe anyway.

I don't know the solution. But aiming the bile I've seen at women, rather than the dickhead violent men that are ACTUALLY causing the problem, is very typical of the misogyny of society.

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Kelcat9494 · 05/07/2020 13:44

Okay, i understand my post was very naive. I was thinking of the very rosy view that all trans people are just people wanting to live as the opposite sex and I couldn't understand the issue with that but I've read through all your posts and I know now there's much more pressing issues and the threats to us as women. I now see how ignorant my post was and I'm very sorry, I'm glad I posted it though as it's really opened my eyes and of course I want to be an ally to my fellow woman and make sure none of us have to be uncomfortable. I'm sorry I wasn't compassionate to the sex survivor in my post, it wasn't intentional it's just I couldn't really understand why that had an impact on trans people using the bathroom
as they should but I know differently now and everyone deserves access to a safe space.

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 05/07/2020 13:44

@growinggreyer

Hearhooves, here again with the wide eyes and the uncomprehending brain. It must be difficult for you to live in this world. Do you spend your time eating soaps shaped like cupcakes? But how can you tell it's made of soap when it looks so delicious?
It's not wide eyed anything. I don't understand how you can want laws that require genetic analysis to implement yet your only response is to insult people.

Ok.

Durgasarrow · 05/07/2020 13:44

Welcome to Mumsnet. Please feel free to read the threads available to you here to educate yourself. You will find the answers to all the questions you posed.

Giningit · 05/07/2020 13:43

@LunchBoxPolice

The only thing we'd share is the sinks and I don't see a problem with that really. I did read a post about a abuse survivor not wanting to the share the bathroom with someone with a penis (I'm really sorry that the person went through the abuse but that isn't trans people's fault, the fault is with the abuser alone)

Why bother separating toilets into male and female at all then? Let men into women’s toilets, since it’s the individual abusers fault and women shouldn’t worry.

Or is it just trans women who need to feel safe?

This!!
Winesalot · 05/07/2020 13:43

OP.

Do you have a suggestion on how to navigate sex based discrimination in employment? I brought up a couple of examples up thread. It would be interesting to know your point of view?

Or do you think this is only about loos?

growinggreyer · 05/07/2020 13:40

Hearhooves, here again with the wide eyes and the uncomprehending brain. It must be difficult for you to live in this world. Do you spend your time eating soaps shaped like cupcakes? But how can you tell it's made of soap when it looks so delicious?

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Kelcat9494 · 05/07/2020 13:40

@SchadenfreudePersonified

when I'm sat in the cubicle doing my business, I don't think about the persons genitals next to me

Perhaps you don't. Many men do.

Many men use "trans" as an entry card into women's spaces.

Many men have assaulted women and girls in these should-be-safe spaces.

If trans people feel unsafe in public toilets, then let them campaign for their own facilities - not force their way into women's

That's a very good point thank you, I hadn't thought of it that way.
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PerfectPenquins · 05/07/2020 13:39

What do you think of the threats thrown at women such as , suck my girl dick, choke on my fat girl cock, you should be raped, you should be curb stomped, die in a grease fire, die bitch, hope your kids die of cancer and suffer. Or the most recent one ive seen, trans rights or fist fights.

Trans people in the uk have rights. Trans people in the uk are not murdered at high rates despite the lies. twitter.com/SlashQueer/status/1279405048628498432

LouiseSP82 · 05/07/2020 13:38

OP, I have similar views to yours, and was dismissed on a previous post. I have seen how difficult things are for trans people, and to be accepted by society

SchadenfreudePersonified · 05/07/2020 13:37

when I'm sat in the cubicle doing my business, I don't think about the persons genitals next to me

Perhaps you don't. Many men do.

Many men use "trans" as an entry card into women's spaces.

Many men have assaulted women and girls in these should-be-safe spaces.

If trans people feel unsafe in public toilets, then let them campaign for their own facilities - not force their way into women's

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 05/07/2020 13:36

BTW although buck passes very well in photographs, when you see videos of him alongside biological men it's very obvious that he's trans. I personally met many trans men when I worked for a short period in adult gender identity services, and although they passed much better and much quicker than the trans women, things like their height, shoulder width, the size of their hands and feet, their gait, and just the general way they carried and presented themselves, made them noticeably distinct from biological men.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 05/07/2020 13:36

@Paradiseinportugal

Hearhoovesthinkzebras I think you're making a common mistake here. In a still photo many transwomen pass, in real life, men walk differently, speak differently and stand differently, their bodies are most definitely male bodies, no matter what cosmetic changes they have made. Women can tell, sometimes at a glance who is male and who is female. The biggest danger to Women is men, we're programmed to instantly correctly sex another human being. It's nature's way of protecting us.
Honestly, I can't think how I would ever see the people in picture one or two and think they were female or the person in picture three male. I can't see how you can write laws that need DNA analysis to identify people.
Nousernameforme · 05/07/2020 13:36

Can you please explain why you frame not getting your own way as hate?

Paradiseinportugal · 05/07/2020 13:35

Cross post with Michelle there, she says it better than me.

Deadringer · 05/07/2020 13:35

Its ridiculous that it's so unusual to see female issues being centred, even by feminists, that its perceived as hate.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/07/2020 13:35

Buck Angel would fit in quite well here

Trying to understand the hate trans people get on here.
Couchbettato · 05/07/2020 13:34

Not all women menstruate or get pregnant. But all people who do menstruate and get pregnant are women.

Likewise, not all men are rapists, but all big rapey penises are definitely attached to men.

Women are asking for the law to be upheld so that safe spaces do exist as many TRAs are advocating for the right to legally identify as a women without a medical or surgical transition which means any man with an agenda could enter women's spaces.

If you've not noticed men, and men who dress as women don't really go around wearing badges that say "I am/not a rapist".

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 05/07/2020 13:34

[quote Mascotte]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras sex is a biological fact. Yes, it's chromosomes.[/quote]
Which I understand so you would be fine with people in picture one and two being in the toilets with you, in the hospital ward with you, gym changing room or doing your smear if you'd requested a female nurse? I just can't understand that tbh.

Herja · 05/07/2020 13:34

Bluntly, trans women offend at the same rate and type as men.

Women are much more likely to be attacked by men than the reverse. To the point that from a class based analysis, it's not really up for consideration.

Indeed, in the UK, there is a rape or attempted rape, against a woman every 6 minutes (from rape crisis statistics). Not against a person, against a woman. It is important to note here that in England and Wales (not Scotland), to be convicted of rape, a penis must be used (unless convicted under joint enterprise, which is a minute number of rape cases). So these are crimes against women, by men

We segregate by sex to protect women from this.

As trans women offend in these same patterns (ONS), they should be segregated from women in the same way as men are, iin every situation a man would be.

And no by the way, transwomen are not at more risk of attack. This comes from misrepresented statistics, predominantly based around transwomen who are sex workers in South America. The women who are sex workers there also suffer murder and attacks at an astonishing rate. It's almost as if the issue is being used for sex by angry men, rather than being trans...

Paradiseinportugal · 05/07/2020 13:33

Hearhoovesthinkzebras
I think you're making a common mistake here. In a still photo many transwomen pass, in real life, men walk differently, speak differently and stand differently, their bodies are most definitely male bodies, no matter what cosmetic changes they have made. Women can tell, sometimes at a glance who is male and who is female.
The biggest danger to Women is men, we're programmed to instantly correctly sex another human being. It's nature's way of protecting us.