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Update from Allison Bailey

143 replies

Aesopfable · 05/07/2020 09:58

Didn’t see this on the current post about her fundraising but thought it deserved a post of its own.

mobile.twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1278317988429561857

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zanahoria · 06/03/2021 17:39

I am astonished that Stonewall thought they sould get away with this, then it occured ro me that maybe they are used to getting away with this sort of thing. I wonder how many of these threats they send out?

PurpleHoodie · 06/03/2021 17:36

Be the change Diary

Your submissions will be on record.

Diaryofamadwoman · 06/03/2021 17:34

Future sociologists and historians: take note.

I'm studying sociology. I'm deeply dissapointed in my lecturer. I wouldn't hold your breath.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 06/03/2021 17:27

@FindTheTruth

of all the things I've read and seen in the war on lesbians, the Benji interview with Boyce where she describes 40 year old male born people talking to teenage females in the group run by Morgan Page, is one I will never forget . If I write here my interpretation of what happened to Benji and those young people, I suspect my post will be deleted - but it's the darkest underbelly of lesbophobia in the ideology cult. Worth watching but needs a strong stomach.

And now reading this The Stonewall letter and line about Page the horror of it becomes clearer every day. someone yesterday posted a link to 'the purity spiral'* of a group '"fixated on implementing a single value that has no upper limit, and no single agreed interpretation. The result is a moral feeding frenzy." like the Salem Witch trials, Mao, Russia and other nightmares in history. loyalty tests, only affirmations allowed,

LGB alliance and WPUK:
(this could apply to them)

“People who are trying to prevent members of society from speaking the truth will often punish minor criticisms,” he told me. “Simply to send the message to the rest of society that no dissent will be tolerated and no attempt to form an opposing group — even one that differs only slightly from the status quo — will be tolerated. If you allow minor differences, you allow people to coordinate around minor differences, and that can encourage even greater opposition.” Prof. Kuran, Duke Uni

I think this is the Benjamin Boyce podcast where that is discussed. If anyone hasn't heard it, it's definitely worth a listen.
Datun · 06/03/2021 17:27

Stonewall were preaching to the choir.

Garden Court is full of wokerati who didn't need any encouragement from Stonewall. There was pressure from other barristers in the Chambers to have AB disciplined before Stonewall got in on the act.

But didn't it say there are over a hundred employees there? They cant all be in thrall.

Manderleyagain · 06/03/2021 17:23

I'm astonished Stonewall actually emailed Garden Court in this way, as opposed to ringing the head of chambers for a confidential chat.

Yes, i know they were preaching to the choir as pp says, but they also knew that Allison wasn't in the choir, she would know her rights, and she's a barrister. It doesn't sound like the person who wrote it is that clever. They understand things in a very facile social media style way (judging by how they presented & interpreted the tweets), but still, to put it in an email - your continued association with her puts us in a difficult position with yourselves - or whatever the wording was. It's very surprising.

PurpleHoodie · 06/03/2021 17:20

Also - the House of Lords (waves)

PurpleHoodie · 06/03/2021 17:19

Stonewall, and their bastard corporate offspring, can fuck off thinking they represent us.

Future sociologists and historians: take note.

PurpleHoodie · 06/03/2021 17:16

Mollyollydolly

I don't know how Allison keeps going. I feel such rage reading all this. This case really gets to me because it's just bullying. They can call it what they like but it's just old fashioned bullying.

(They are - insert THE rudest word in the English language here. Add in in all UK dialect equivalents for the rudest word we can describe Stonewall as)

She's a black, gay woman speaking logic and facts.

Stonewall for example.....

Sexnotgender · 06/03/2021 17:13

@IrenetheQuaint

That Stonewall letter reinforces my prejudice against people who use "yourselves" when they mean "you" Grin
Makes my teeth itch 😱

Honestly how arrogant are they?!

preachingtothechoir · 06/03/2021 17:09

@StandUpStraight

What on earth were Garden Court chambers thinking? The letter is nothing more than a series of baseless allegations, rounded off by a threat, all of it written in the most illiterate prose. It’s absolutely outrageous that Allison has been treated in this way, and it is time to dig again, but thank God this is coming to light so that everyone can see Stonewall for what it has become.
Stonewall were preaching to the choir.

Garden Court is full of wokerati who didn't need any encouragement from Stonewall. There was pressure from other barristers in the Chambers to have AB disciplined before Stonewall got in on the act.

IrenetheQuaint · 06/03/2021 17:04

I'm astonished Stonewall actually emailed Garden Court in this way, as opposed to ringing the head of chambers for a confidential chat. Great for transparency that they did, of course, but it suggests (along with the general illiteracy of the letter) that they have become complacent and think they're untouchable.

jhuizinga · 06/03/2021 16:09

Stonewall's complaint certainly shines a very bright and unflattering light on its tactics and the misinformation it peddles. I cannot imagine SW wanting this case to come to court. The impact could be catastrophic for its reputation and gravy-train funding. (I can live in hope at least.) Time to do a bit more digging.

FindTheTruth · 06/03/2021 16:02

of all the things I've read and seen in the war on lesbians, the Benji interview with Boyce where she describes 40 year old male born people talking to teenage females in the group run by Morgan Page, is one I will never forget . If I write here my interpretation of what happened to Benji and those young people, I suspect my post will be deleted - but it's the darkest underbelly of lesbophobia in the ideology cult. Worth watching but needs a strong stomach.

And now reading this The Stonewall letter and line about Page the horror of it becomes clearer every day. someone yesterday posted a link to 'the purity spiral'* of a group '"fixated on implementing a single value that has no upper limit, and no single agreed interpretation. The result is a moral feeding frenzy." like the Salem Witch trials, Mao, Russia and other nightmares in history. loyalty tests, only affirmations allowed,

LGB alliance and WPUK:
(this could apply to them)

“People who are trying to prevent members of society from speaking the truth will often punish minor criticisms,” he told me. “Simply to send the message to the rest of society that no dissent will be tolerated and no attempt to form an opposing group — even one that differs only slightly from the status quo — will be tolerated. If you allow minor differences, you allow people to coordinate around minor differences, and that can encourage even greater opposition.” Prof. Kuran, Duke Uni

Tibtom · 06/03/2021 15:28

Or blaming her calling them extremists for violence - look what you made us do!

ArcheryAnnie · 06/03/2021 15:27

OMG I've just read it, and I know I'm missing the point, but the writing style is that of a dodgy photocopier salesman, the sort who says your name multiple times when talking to you.

Stonewall have more money than god, and more than 150 employees. Surely they could find someone in that lot who could spell, who could use grammar correctly, and who wouldn't write "yourselves" when they mean "you"?

But brava, Allison, for not bowing the head to that bunch of utter shits.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 06/03/2021 15:12

I just saw this on twitter. It's quite something.
I'm Shock at the gumption of it, especially complaining about Allison tweeting about their 'appalling levels of intimidation' in an email that was clearly intended to try get her fired.

DisappearingGirl · 06/03/2021 13:37

Thank you. I have also donated again.

I'm glad this is being looked at by the courts. Let's hope for a common sense view/outcome and some sunlight.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 06/03/2021 13:37

@StandUpStraight

What on earth were Garden Court chambers thinking? The letter is nothing more than a series of baseless allegations, rounded off by a threat, all of it written in the most illiterate prose. It’s absolutely outrageous that Allison has been treated in this way, and it is time to dig again, but thank God this is coming to light so that everyone can see Stonewall for what it has become.
This!! They’re actual lawyers - it’s a very successful chambers so they’re clearly generally know what they’re doing

How did they allow themselves to be frightened by such utter tosh??

MaudTheInvincible · 06/03/2021 13:28

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

Thank you for linking - she’s an extraordinary woman (not least for including the line “That would be transubstantiation which is not within the gift of legislation” Grin)

I enjoyed that line very much indeed.

teawamutu · 06/03/2021 13:12

@NoCureForLove

I had to donate again after reading those documents. Angry
Me too.

Go get 'em, Allison.

NoCureForLove · 06/03/2021 12:59

I had to donate again after reading those documents. Angry

Spiegelx · 06/03/2021 12:36

The grammar is absolutely appalling in SW's letter. Year 2 curriculum covers correct use of apostrophes. They clearly aren't spending their massive amounts of cash on literacy.

Datun · 06/03/2021 12:35

@StandUpStraight

What on earth were Garden Court chambers thinking? The letter is nothing more than a series of baseless allegations, rounded off by a threat, all of it written in the most illiterate prose. It’s absolutely outrageous that Allison has been treated in this way, and it is time to dig again, but thank God this is coming to light so that everyone can see Stonewall for what it has become.
I agree.

Stonewall's tactics are embarrassingly transparent. It would be almost laughable until you realise they've been accepted by an actual chamber of barristers. People one would except to be deserving of at least a modicum of respect, and certainly the assumption that they're educated in the bloody law.

And Allison, if you are reading this, the cotton ceiling was coined as a phrase meant to refer to the gusset in a woman's knickers, specifically a lesbian.

A play on the glass ceiling, and something to be 'broken through'.

And yes, how does that sit with the head of stonewall saying 'women are always going to be raped'?

sagaLoren · 06/03/2021 12:35

I trust that you will do what is right

Wow it is all rather mafioso isn't it. Sounds a bit like "I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse".