Ghislaine Maxwell

Being female doesn't exclude you from being sexually aroused by abusing others.

There is no such thing as 'an anorexic toddler'. The way this is framed is that she was traumatised by the death of her brother. Except she was only a few days old when he died. She had no concept of who he was and would not have by the time she became 'anorexic'.

In a family which was poor and working class we'd be doing other investigations and asking questions about why a child of that age was 'anorexic' if it was more than merely being a fussy child.

But because its the family of such a rich and influencial man its sanitised to put emphasis on a 2 year old rather examine what's going on in the family as a whole.

And since her father is now widely disliked due to the effects of the collapse of his empire, she now gets something of a free pass because no one looked at this when they should.

Her father never had to take responsibility for his actions. That was part of the status and money. Why would she be any different?

The continuing wording to frame her as anorexic only serves to continue the blindness to behaviour that wouldn't be acceptable in other social classes. It continues to sanitise the abuses of the ultra rich.

As mentioned above she seemed in part attracted to men who behaved as her father did. So in Epstein she found a mutually beneficial relationship. The other parts of the equation being money and power - she had expectations of being extremely wealthy and part of a particular social set but that fell apart somewhat after Maxwell Snr died.

I did read somewhere that part of the trafficking ring was about kompromat/blackmail - hence the cameras everywhere. I wouldn't like to guess at whether she actually got any sexual gratification from her involvement because so much abuse is about power and control anyway.

She's obviously someone with no moral centre and a thirst for money and power - a perfect storm of ingredients and meeting a like mind in Epstein exacerbated that. Whether she was like that innately, learned it from her father or a bit of both I don't think we'll ever know.

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I watched the documentary on Netflix about Epstein and the main thing I took away from it was that all the people who were abusing and manipulating the young girls and women just didn't see them as human, they were just bodies to be exploited.

Thats why Prince Andrew feels no remorse, thats why current and previous US presidents can act like its nothing to do with them, thats why GM can comfortably do what she did and only care that she got caught.

There were a lot of people involved, I don't think we'll ever fully know how high and how wide the it goes (and I'm sure its still going on). I don't think the survivors will ever see justice.

We don’t know she wasn’t also getting sexual gratification. She is supposed to have taken part in threesomes.

She’s a psychopath who thinks people not on the same social level as her are worthy of consideration.

Bit of background from the Times.
Agree with wildone84
She lost her domineering wealthy father and looked for a replacement.
All the children were traumatised by Maxwell.

The daddy’s girl with a monstrous legacy

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-daddys-girl-with-a-monstrous-legacy-f2z2wsjbh

Some people don't seem to care about anyone else, or don't really think of other people as real.

The way the system works means that psychopaths are more likely to rise to the top. And unfortunately some people do seem to be incapable of empathy with people who are not like themselves. I presume she wasn't given a good moral grounding in her childhood but wouldn't that be nearly every criminal's excuse?

I have been interested in the same question OP. I looked into her background to see what could have motivated her, here's what I wondered...

She was one of nine kids but was the youngest and the favourite child of her dad, apparently they were very close.

He was a very wealthy media mogul and she grew up in what one news outlet called "unimaginable luxury."

He committed suicide in 1991(either that or he fell off his boat and drowned, but suicide is suspected.) It is speculated he possibly committee suicide because he was engaging in pension fraud to fund his own lifestyle, basically dipping into employees' pension pots and had spent $20 million of it.

Upon his death, Ghislaine was devastated and also she went from having unlimited cash to having to exist on trust fund cash of $100,000 per year.

A friend said she 'worshipped domineering, wealthy men' (perhaps men like her dad). Perhaps she was trying to find a father replacement. Jeffrey Epstein was so wealthy he was able to give her the lifestyle she wanted, and in return she gave him society connections, apparently he was socially awkward and shy.

They had a 3 year long relationship and she wanted him to marry her but he refused. Their relationship turned into something more like a friendship eventually.

I wonder if the trauma of her father's death and the loss of access to the old lifestyle she led, had her intent on finding someone to replace him, and she thought Jeffrey was that person, and she was willing to hang on to him no matter what, because he was able to keep her in the lifestyle she had been accustomed to, when she was younger.

This is me playing armchair psychologist.

I think she was traumatised but I also think she's a vile person. Apparently she absolutely treated the abused young women like something she found on her shoe. Maybe through jealousy that they had something Epstein wanted (yuck) but she held out hope for a long time that he would marry her. So perhaps that's why she gave him what he wanted.

So in conclusion, I believe she was motivated by money and by trauma over the loss of her father and resources when she was younger, and would do anything to hang on to Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe she's a sadist, too. That's what Virginia Guiffre said, she behaved sadistically towards the young women they ensnared, the maximum pain she could inflict.

Bear in mind some of this info about her background is reported in places like the Daily Mail so not sure how reliable it is.

What is an 'anorexic toddler'?
One of my kids more or less refused to eat, it's called being a very fussy eater and isn't that unusual.
She's a predator, females can be predatory off their own bat, no matter how hard you all try and look for excuses and blame it on men.

I was wondering this myself.

Whatever it is, I'm sure the defence team will broadcast it sooner or later.

She was groomed by her own terrible father to please men. With GM you are looking at a deeply traumatised individual. This does not excuse her acts however

This. It doesn't excuse her actions, but she is someone who was seriously fucked up as a child. seeing her described as anorexic as a toddler is worrying

I truly hate this pleading in mitigation. Is there any woman, no matter how bad, this hand wringing would not be trotted out for. It's pathetic.

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I can never understand the women that facilitate sex abuse for men.

Thats because you don't get the allure of 'power over' someone else and don't get your jollies from abuse.
To most of us the ability to lord it over other people or cause active harm it isn't attractive, its disgusting. I cant imagine what it would take to warp me into that state.

Maxwell had a close relationship with her father and was widely credited with being her father's favourite child. The Times reported that Robert Maxwell did not permit Ghislaine to bring her boyfriends home or to be seen with them publicly, after she started attending Oxford University.

It sounds like she probably didn't know what was 'normal'.

She first met Epstein in the early 1990s and started a relationship with him no long after her father died.

No excuses here, but certainly seem to be more questions here than answers about the 'why' and 'what' over her role.

I think her background explains a lot growing up privledged and connected with a powerful father with no moral compass and then losing all the money. Epstein offered her all the power and money she lost she also could be a sociopath completely lacking in empathy

I wonder if she is a psychopath. Brother accident/coma days before she was born. Unlikely to have had a secure attachment in first 2 years. Anorexic as a toddler. Mother writes that Robert would rant at/harangue children and reduce them to a pulp - maybe she escaped to dissociative state. Then spoilt by misogynistic father, known to be the favourite with who she had what seems to be a quite weird relationship.

She was groomed by her own terrible father to please men. With GM you are looking at a deeply traumatised individual. This does not excuse her acts however.

This. It doesn't excuse her actions, but she is someone who was seriously fucked up as a child. seeing her described as anorexic as a toddler is worrying.

It's got to f you up if you're raised by someone like Robert Maxwell. Wikipedia has some interesting details - he once said he didn't like male assistants, he preferred female ones because they have less individuality! He interviewed President Ceausescu of Romania and asked him why the Romanian people loved him so much. He is also suspected of having been a spy for one or more foreign intelligence services. He may have been responsible for Mordechai Vanunu (the Israel nuclear arms whistleblower) getting kidnapped by Mossad.
Harold Wilson nicknamed him "the bouncing Czech".

I don't have a deep analysis but one interesting thing is that she came from a place of vast wealth, billions in family money, but decades ago fell to relative poverty of maybe 10 or 20 million. That's nothing in the circles in which she moves.

I think part of this was her putting herself in a position where she could access the lifestyle that she'd had, but had lost, and could no longer afford.

Status? Power? Personality disorder?

Its difficult to understand why anyone had anything to do with him (except Prince Andrew who isn't very bright and needed money), unless they were all being blackmailed. He doesn't seem to have been particularly charming, and his houses just seem odd.

OP, because it is a toxic relationship dynamic she knows from so long ago it has become who she is. In the old abuser/abused dynamic, each seeks out the other in a codependency. It's a similar dynamic here. GM learned from a young age that to be truly loved she has to service the sexual needs of men. This will feel 'normal' to her.

I was wondering about her motivations. Reading on Wikipedia , her brother was in a serious accident a few days before she was born and was in a coma for years before he died.

I wonder how much that would have affected her very early years. She was also an anorexic toddler.

Not excusing her at all, but obviously trauma in childhood has long term ramifications in some people.

It sounds like she got a kick out of organizing it for him and also being involved with the girls herself.

Maybe Power was the motivation. It can't all be down to money as she'd been surrounded by it all her life and I'm sure had many rich friends.