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Ghislaine Maxwell

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RadandMad · 04/07/2020 15:57

Not GC, but I'd be interested to hear what you think motivated GM to do the stuff she did. I mean she's rich, beautiful, Oxbridge educated, so what on earth did Epstein have to offer her? If she was simply in love with him, how did that work given he evidently preferred young girls to her. I'm intrigued by the psychology at work here.

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SuckingDieselFella · 04/07/2020 23:18

A more obvious point is that she's in prison.

Her media access will be limited.

SuckingDieselFella · 04/07/2020 23:16

@DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong

Wouldn’t be at all surprised if this were some kind of messaging to Ghislaine from ‘The Firm’ and associates.

I’m glad she’s been arrested, but I can’t see it going to trial. It’ll be a plea deal.

Andrew is small fry compared with the other names in her little black book.

And it seems unlikely the establishment would protect him. He's pissed too many people off.

SuckingDieselFella · 04/07/2020 23:14

@RadandMad

She was living a life of luxury in hiding.

That's another thing I wonder about. She knew the FBI were going to go after Epstein's partners in crime, according to the report I saw on TV. Why on earth did she decide to stay in the US? Why not disappear into Antigua or wherever rich people hide out these days? It seems remarkably stupid for a supposedly intelligent woman.

Because she thought she could outwit them. And maybe she thought someone powerful would keep her safe.

The million dollar property she bought is called Tuckedaway.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 04/07/2020 23:08

Wouldn’t be at all surprised if this were some kind of messaging to Ghislaine from ‘The Firm’ and associates.

I’m glad she’s been arrested, but I can’t see it going to trial. It’ll be a plea deal.

SuckingDieselFella · 04/07/2020 23:08

@Siablue

She must still have some very powerful supporters. Look at who she knew. Who went to her and Epstine’s parties. Someone very powerful doesn’t want this to come out and will spend money on it.
Bill Clinton was connected to Epstein's charity work and spent a week with him in Africa.

Ghislaine went to Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

She has been photographed with Trump and recruited Virginia Roberts at Mar a Lago.

There were cameras everywhere in Epstein's houses. If any rich and influential man has been recorded it would ruin them.

DioneTheDiabolist · 04/07/2020 22:52

It's tailored to the audience

Maybe that "audience" is Ghislaine.

MotherMorph · 04/07/2020 22:47

I do think that women tend to play that role in sex trafficking, winning the trust of the victims. Rose West did the same.
Not entirely related but I watched a documentary about Fred and Rose West, which said he had been sexually abused by his mother....(Rose West had had an abusive childhood as well) so that's why they were attracted to each other.....

BentBastard · 04/07/2020 22:36

The anorexia as toddler thing suggests some significant trauma IMO.

I have a friend whose mum walked out suddenly in the middle of the night when she was 4. She stopped eating entirely, was admitted to hospital for tube feeding for a while.

RadandMad · 04/07/2020 22:30

@Kantastic

I’d imagine a very expensive specialist PR team is at work here

I just thought about the interesting coincidence of a thread wondering about Ghislaine Maxwell's motivations being posted here right around the time of that Guardian article, so I searched OP's username. Been very active on this forum today and maybe yesterday. Nothing earlier.

Hmm

Kantastic, I've been on Mumsnet mainly as a lurker for a year or so, but recently changed my name. Honestly, nothing sinister, but I'm not going to go into it here. I'll DM you.
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DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 04/07/2020 22:27

@Kantastic

it may not be going the way they hoped Grin
Grin
Kantastic · 04/07/2020 22:26

it may not be going the way they hoped Grin

Kantastic · 04/07/2020 22:25

I’d imagine a very expensive specialist PR team is at work here

I just thought about the interesting coincidence of a thread wondering about Ghislaine Maxwell's motivations being posted here right around the time of that Guardian article, so I searched OP's username. Been very active on this forum today and maybe yesterday. Nothing earlier.

Hmm
Siablue · 04/07/2020 22:14

She must still have some very powerful supporters. Look at who she knew. Who went to her and Epstine’s parties. Someone very powerful doesn’t want this to come out and will spend money on it.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 04/07/2020 22:07

@Kantastic

It's tailored to the audience too isn't it? Play up an abused manipulated woman angle on Maxwell for the Guardian readers, and inform the Telegraph that the upper-crust white man isn't as bad as everyone's making out.
Yes.

I’d imagine a very expensive specialist PR team is at work here.

Kantastic · 04/07/2020 22:03

It's tailored to the audience too isn't it? Play up an abused manipulated woman angle on Maxwell for the Guardian readers, and inform the Telegraph that the upper-crust white man isn't as bad as everyone's making out.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 04/07/2020 21:56

Sounds like Laura might be running damage control for PA using a 'friendship' with Maxwell as a proxy. Better to be thought of as posh and dumb than a perv type of thing.

Absolutely! This is straight out of the Malcolm Tucker spin bible.

A reputation for stupidity is better than a reputation as child-rapist.

Of course, PA is so egotistical and so entitled he even undermines his own positive PR.

OvaHere · 04/07/2020 21:48

@FannyCann

The Telegraph also has an article similar to the Guardian one featuring the opinion of Laura Goldman which includes this gem. Confused

Sensationally revealing that Ms Maxwell had a "fling" with the now 60-year-old royal, Ms Goldman claimed the socialite "doesn't see any reason to speak about him to the authorities", adding that Ms Maxwell found the Queen's son "kind of stupid and naive".
"If there were girls in the house while he was there, he would have thought they were servants," Ms Goldman said from her home in Philadelphia. "All these people thinking he is evil are just wrong. He is just the kind of entitled person who sees everyone as a servant."

Sounds like Laura might be running damage control for PA using a 'friendship' with Maxwell as a proxy. Better to be thought of as posh and dumb than a perv type of thing.
Goosefoot · 04/07/2020 21:43

Anorexia just means a person won't eat, AFAIK? I think it can manifest for a lot of different reasons in different age groups.

ListeningQuietly · 04/07/2020 21:39

I knew an intelligent, articulate attractive lady who got married.
Her husband was so toxic that all three of their children were taken into care and then adopted.
She divorced that man and married one who her beat up such that she had an emergency hysterectomy at 33.
She divorced him and went back to the first one.
I last saw her ten years after that, covered in bruises telling me how happy they were.
It turned out her father was an abuser too.

Ghislane is rich but she is very very damaged

SunbathingDragon · 04/07/2020 21:16

@feelingverylazytoday

What is an 'anorexic toddler'? One of my kids more or less refused to eat, it's called being a very fussy eater and isn't that unusual. She's a predator, females can be predatory off their own bat, no matter how hard you all try and look for excuses and blame it on men.
Medically speaking it’s called failure to thrive and isn’t a form of fussy eating.

I think the likelihood is her own childhood is the reason but many children have abusive, dysfunctional formative years and are able to grow into normal adults.

Siablue · 04/07/2020 21:14

I think the thing about her childhood that is relevant is that she learned from an early age to appease a powerful and abusive man. She has both an enormous sense of entitlement and very low self esteem. She was afraid that Epstein would abandon her. He dumped her and she still spent her life pandering to his every need.

I have also read this article about her in Tatler (it is long). She really knew absolutely everyone.

www.tatler.com/article/where-on-earth-is-ghislaine-maxwell

Iflyaway · 04/07/2020 21:12

Even in the most very famous cases of female criminals (Myra Hindley, Rose West) there is a man very closely involved.

I was just thinking about this today. Myra Hindley was the one who would entice the children, being a woman she was less suspicious and children being naturally trusting of a "kind woman"....

Same kind of MO of Ghislaine Maxwell..... befriend vulnerable girls in order to deliver them and to satisfy Jeffrey Epstein.

UGH

KaronAVyrus · 04/07/2020 21:11

I think the main thing to hold onto is that whatever GM’s motivation (which we’ll more than likely never know) she enjoyed what she did.

DioneTheDiabolist · 04/07/2020 20:58

Just as PA "saw everyone as a servant", so did GM. They were silly, expendable servant girls who would do what their told.

She may even have believed she was giving them an opportunity, after all how many trailer park girls get to meet a real prince?

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 04/07/2020 20:43

This speculation is very interesting but do you think we will ever actually know? Won’t she plead guilty to a lesser charge and be held somewhere remote (a la Martha Stewart who was supposedly deliberately sent somewhere the press couldn’t reach) and then disappear on release (probably with a fat cheque from the rich men she didn’t grass on)?

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