Talk Radio right now talking JK Rowling!

Bluemooooon - a grift is a con / confidence trick.

Grifting is conning/swindling.

'So he is reaching for a middle ground. He admits 'I dont know''

Only after being truly vile, bullying and nasty to GC women on more than one occasion on his show (James o'Brien). Hes also mused about this issue on his show, saying he 'doesn't know' which side hes on but he suspects hes probably more empathetic to the transwomen. He doesn't have a clue, and has the nerve to call himself a feminist

Bluemooooon That caller was talking about "grift".

Ive just come on here after spending too long on twitter and ending up feeling so frustrated with the whole TRA pile on. Some moron thought it was a good idea to post explicit photos of him having sex onto the Iklebog thread after a parent asked for JKR to say hi to her child!
I'm going to spend some time in peace and quite this afternoon listening to this show. I hope it lifts my mood!

One of the women interviewed kept talking about Griffs - I don't know what that means - it made what she said difficult to follow initially as I didn't know if griff means pro or anti? Can anyone enlighten me?

I listened on Catch Up. Excellent show. I get the impression that Ian Collins is quite new to the whole debate but he has really done his homework.

I left a message with the station praising the show and suggesting a couple of future topics he might want to cover (women in sports; skewing of crime stats). Of course there's loads more topics!

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That's interesting about James O'Brien.

Excellent, well balanced and fair

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Not listened to the whole thing yet. But very encouraged by the first 10 min. Presenter is pretty much on top of all this. And sounds righteously indignant.

Let's hope they make a career out of something that fascinates them intellectually and can break away from a lifetime dedicated to campaigning for other kids to follow their "gender identity journey".

Jazz didn't seem to have a life outwith their gender identity. Now they have transitioned what are they going to do with themselves? I wonder how Jazz will cope when it's "oK I look like a girl, now what?" All this gender identity stuff seem a distraction from sorting out a career and life plan.

I think penises that have had their development arrested by puberty blockers may stay too small to provide enough skin to invert for a fake vagina? I am fairly sure I have heard that mentioned. Don't know about the hormones idea.

Men who don't produce testosterone do sometime's suffer penis shrinkage. Men who get castrated (for whatever reason) end up with smaller penises than they started with and even men suffering from long term impotence can see a reduction in length. So I suppose it is possible that a male person taking oestrogen for a lengthy period of time before they had 'bottom surgery' would then find that there was no longer enough tissue down there to do the job properly - especially if their penis was at the smaller end of the spectrum to start with.

But anyone on puberty blockers who never developed properly will certainly not have enough tissue for reconstruction surgery - as seen very publicly with Jazz Jennings.

I think penises that have had their development arrested by puberty blockers may stay too small to provide enough skin to invert for a fake vagina? I am fairly sure I have heard that mentioned. Don't know about the hormones idea.

Listened to the first hour. Really excellent so far.

Slight niggle was that presenter - to begin with at least - implied that JKR"s main point was that Trans women have different life experiences than women. Her point was wider than that - especially about the conflict between the new trans rights agenda and women's rights. But this came out very clearly from the first few caller anyway, so no matter.

I am delighted this was covered. I'm also delighted with the first three callers in particular. All articulate and from a real position of knowledge.

So much of the debate was aired. Autistic girls, child transitioning, the madness of self ID, the over reaction to JKR's reasonably comments and even the absolute absence of any of the crazies coming on to shout.

I started to get a little irritated later on, though, which sounds a little ungrateful, but I think, like many men, the ones that called were largely missing the point and talking about anti-establishment, Marxism...etc, which just dilutes the real and present danger - and also, Ian kept referring to the issue being about the 'lived experience and dispositions' of women.

Dispositions?

I kept wanting to shout: 'biology!'

That is a minor irritation, though, given how happy I am it was covered and not in a 'let's talk about it but try to keep it in safe waters' kind of way.

I hope they keep shedding light.

It's the first time I've heard it said that taking hormones can diminish the penis so that there isn't enough to invert into an adequate vagina.
They might have been making a joke, I don't know.
Wirelessgroup is owned by Rupert Murdoch as is the new Times radio station. But at least it's not hidebound by wokeness like the BBc.

Just jumping in on the James O'Brien point. I was pleased to note that whereas he was absolutely fixed on his opinion for the vast majority of the book (on Brexit, Islam, Trump etc) he was equivocal on the trans issue.

He articulates the 'be kind' philosophy very eloquently, citing examples of real transphobia - the stuff that is analogous to racism, which I don't think anyone could possibly approve of. He believes the trans suicide stats, he worries that Trump attacks trans people and doesn't want any kind of association with Trump-thoughts.

So he is reaching for a middle ground. He admits 'I dont know'

I’ve spent the last couple of hours listening to this whole programme. It’s so refreshing to hear sensible, articulate discussion of the issue. The transexual, Helen made a lot of sense., even down to the fact that the term Transexual is being erased, as so few people go through the whole process. Thanks OP for the link.