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Ann Widdecombe on the trans debate

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RoyalCorgi · 03/07/2020 12:51

It's short, but to the point:

www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/ann-widdecombe/1303420/transgender-debate-JK-Rowling

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JoysOfString · 03/07/2020 13:57

Quite nauticant. Life must be so boring for these people who banish from their lives and 100% condemn every person who says something they don't agree with. It's essentially just making yourself a fully sealed echo chamber on every issue.

Also people can change their minds on things, given evidence and discussion, or they can not change their minds but accept that others disagree, and find ways forward. This comes about by people who don't always agree, having debates on things. Hmm

testing987654321 · 03/07/2020 13:55

But wait! Why don't we entertain the amazing idea that sometimes someone is right and sometimes they're wrong?

I feel toddlers are more capable of understanding this nuance than some adults.

Floisme · 03/07/2020 13:51

Thanks to everyone who remembers - good to know I'm not alone. My favourite was to someone complaining about a family member who always left tissues in pockets when they did the washing.

Yes AllCats I remember that too. It was why I felt kind of discombobulated she started that column and I realised I was enjoying it. In fact it might have been my first introduction to the mind shaking idea that people are complex.

terryleather · 03/07/2020 13:48

So many purity spirals at the moment Royal.

I think Neil Oliver had shown support for JKR and seems to have a GC stance so he was probably already in the cross hairs of the wokesters...

AllCatsAreBeautiful · 03/07/2020 13:45

People on this board love to claim that they care about women in prison. It's an obvious hypocrisy to make that claim while lionising Anne Widdecombe.

nauticant · 03/07/2020 13:43

How could we possibly reconcile the two Ann Widdecombe? Surely that's not possible.

But wait! Why don't we entertain the amazing idea that sometimes someone is right and sometimes they're wrong?

AllCatsAreBeautiful · 03/07/2020 13:36

Uh, Anne Widdecombe? Does no one remember the sort of things she defended & implemented? Shackling incarcerated pregnant women in hospital? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chaining-women-backed-1323238.html

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RoyalCorgi · 03/07/2020 13:36

I do remember that column, funnily enough.

The other thing I've noticed today, which is tangentially related, is that on Twitter people are getting very angry with Neil Oliver, because he apparently tweeted something approving about David Starkey (a couple of days before Starkey made his awful remarks about slavery). Obviously it's not enough to be angry with Oliver, they're asking for him to be removed from his position with the National Trust for Scotland.

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terryleather · 03/07/2020 13:34

Having said that I remember her on Celebrity Big Brother going to bed in her flanellette nightie with a glass of wine and a plate of biscuits...I approve of that behaviour too!

JoysOfString · 03/07/2020 13:33

I remember it Floisme! I've strongly disagreed with AW on lots of things but always kind of liked her, and respected her no-nonsense mind, so I always used to read Buck Up. It's no surprise to me at all that she has a GC view because she's very matter-of-fact and couldn't give a shit about people not thinking she's woke.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 03/07/2020 13:26

www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/mar/29/redbox.annwiddecombe
For you, Floisme.

That advice would not be out of place on here tbh.

Floisme · 03/07/2020 13:21

Funny old world. I have had a soft spot for Ann Widdecombe ever since she had an agony column in The Guardian way back in the day. It was called 'Buck up' and no-one I know seems to remember it.

ComDummings · 03/07/2020 13:07

I never thought I’d agree with AW about anything but she’s 100% correct, well said Ann

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 03/07/2020 13:05

Strange bedfellows indeed.

terryleather · 03/07/2020 13:04

I think AW along with Norman Tebbitt were amongst the few MPs to voice their concerns regarding the introduction of the GRA back in the day so her stance doesn't surprise me.

I'm not a fan but as has become apparent there are quite a few strange bedfellows when it comes to this issue.

TheTamingOfTheresa · 03/07/2020 13:03

First Piers Morgan now this. I am agreeing with the weirdest people these days

BovaryX · 03/07/2020 13:01

it is reminiscent of the Soviet Union when people can find their livelihoods snatched from them because they do not sign up to state-approved orthodoxy

Well said Ann Widdecombe. Thanks for posting RoyalCorgi