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Have you seen the new Bodyform advert?

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Fairenuff · 03/07/2020 11:20

Just that really. Sorry if there's already a thread.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/offbeat/bodyform-s-new-advert-breaks-period-advertising-taboos/vi-BB16hTmF?ocid=msedgdhp

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Fairenuff · 03/07/2020 15:02

The message we get from the Always product and branding is - menstruators, you smell.

It's not really comparable is it Grin

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Michelleoftheresistance · 03/07/2020 15:02

Yes, all of that. Bloody well done, pun intended.

And if the misogynistic crap starts - inclusion is about addition, not replacement, and not everything has to be about everyone. You don't erase the 99% of reality to make it all about the 1% unless you're part of the problem women have of not being allowed to talk about their periods or the biological realities of being female. The experience of female people isn't a dirty secret or naughty to talk about.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 03/07/2020 14:58

Good, as long as they say they are for women I’ll chuck em in the shopping. Always might want to have a think on reading the responses here.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 03/07/2020 14:55

They asked women to share stories about their wombs and then made the ad.

Fluckle · 03/07/2020 14:54

I am hard as nails and hugely cynical about stuff like this usually. I cried.

Bloody well done Bodyform (no pun intended).

Fairenuff · 03/07/2020 14:50

Currently the buzz is around driving brand connection via emotion - so they’ve had a think about what will appeal to a certain audience and made an ad about it.

And they've got it right.

Why are you so against this.

All advertisers try to do this - John Lewis, etc. - but some miss the mark and others just piss of their intended audience so what's the problem with this advert aimed at women in an attempt to get women to buy their products? If you ask me it's working.

Women who buy sanitary products have to get them from someone so why not from the brand that acknowledges the biology around reproduction which is, after all, the whole reason we have periods in the first place.

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merrymouse · 03/07/2020 14:47

I thought that was awful.....it was like ‘women’s issues by numbers’.

Don't care.

At a time when agreeing with the idea that women's issues exist can get you sacked, it is a relief that they aren't carefully pretending that nobody knows who gets periods.

MoonDelay · 03/07/2020 14:46

Excellent advert, very moving in every way!

Datun · 03/07/2020 14:46

'Their only desire - and their brief to the creative agency - will be to increase sales.'

Well yes of course. Which is why we were all so surprised that The Body Shop didn't seem to know this.

Exactly.

It's quite extraordinary that companies who specifically make products, either exclusively, or largely, for women, are telling women to shut the fuck up because a handful of men want them to.

How many times have we pointed out how unutterably stupid it is, a la Gerald Ratner? Stupid and misogynistic. As though women have so little power they have no choice but to be treated like dirt.

Maybe, just maybe, certain companies don't actually have a clue quite how exponentially they could increase their sales, if they genuinely appealed to women.

jellybe · 03/07/2020 14:44

@Randomfires

I thought that was awful.....it was like ‘women’s issues by numbers’.

I don’t find my womb or having periods traumatic. This seems to implicate everyone does

Lucky you.

It's great to see an advert that acknowledges all the things that can happen throughout a woman's life and that periods and everything that goes with it isn't sorted by wearing an artificially scented pad.

Randomfires · 03/07/2020 14:43

Also I just looked up the credits and the ad was created by a man!

Magissa · 03/07/2020 14:43

Wow that is brilliant. Made me sad for being menopausal! So powerful.

Randomfires · 03/07/2020 14:41

@HoneysuckIejasmine

They could have just made them 10p cheaper than their competitors and improved sales that way. But they've taken time to actually think about it

No they couldn’t, that’s the point. Discounting for sales in fmcg is done routinely and they’re already cheaper than the brand leader. Currently the buzz is around driving brand connection via emotion - so they’ve had a think about what will appeal to a certain audience and made an ad about it. It won’t help anyone as it won’t be broadcast on TV, only people like us will see it

Datun · 03/07/2020 14:40

It just makes a change to see an advert for women, focusing on actual women and their biology, which takes up a huge amount of time in a woman's life.

Instead of how to make your legs smoother, body thinner, eyelashes thicker, carpet cleaner, and food tastier.

FreeKitties · 03/07/2020 14:39

I’m delighted with this. It’s entirely as it should be- women’s reproductive issues should be talked about and acknowledged.

Breaking down taboos starts with the understanding that something is normal. If we can teach girls and boys (and men!) that periods are a normal bodily function then we are on the road to breaking down those taboos.

I think this video is far more effective at normalising periods than that awful recent advert from tampax.

Fairenuff · 03/07/2020 14:38

Of course adverts are money driven.

Women have money. We are just running out of places to spend it.

So a timely ad like this comes along and it's a great big breath of fresh air.

For some of us it's like we are drowning in a sea of gaslights so it's just so refreshing to just be unashamedly acknowledged for our biology that unites women through time and culture.

We're happy to spend our money to show our appreciation of this and hopefully more advertisers will notice and realise that they can't just airbrush women out of their biological realities.

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TheRealHousewife · 03/07/2020 14:38

Wow that’s powerful. Love it or hate it there’s no denying it’s powerful.

Randomfires · 03/07/2020 14:37

I have suffered from that - as a teen I used to take tablets and had endemetriosis investigations. Doesn’t mean I enjoy it when a global company uses that experience to try and ‘connect’ with people to sell product

tinkywinkyshandbag · 03/07/2020 14:37

I love it. I dare say the trans brigade will be all over it because you know it's not just women that have periods. Apparently.

twoHopes · 03/07/2020 14:37

I completely agree that it's a cynical marketing ploy and I'm not going to start buying their products just because of this advert. I also think we should all be prepared for the inevitable TRA pile-on and apology about "we don't mean to say all women have wombs or only those who have wombs are women. Trans women are women"

But - even so. It's so rare to see such an honest portrayal of female reproductive experiences on TV that I do appreciate that they made this. As PP have mentioned though - it's probably an ad that will play much better with women 30+ as we'll be able to relate much more.

LillianBland · 03/07/2020 14:33

@Randomfires

I'll be with the lady in the advert rolling around in agony every 3 weeks, ta. Nice to finally have it acknowledged

@HoneysuckIejasmine why do you feel better than a hygiene company has ‘acknowledged’ this in a cynical bid to sell more product? Serious question

If you’ve never known the agony that many women suffer during their periods and the annoyance when watching adverts that make periods look like fun, no amount of explaining will help you understand.

No wonder some male bodied people are envious of women’s periods and certain male bodied people with perversions, actually steal used period products. (Before anyone whinges to MNHQ, I’m talking about those with perversions, not genuine trans people) Watching the traditional adverts for period products, would make anyone think periods were a walk in the park.

SecretMillionaire · 03/07/2020 14:30

Finally a woman centric advert for a women's product - Take note Always

Ninkanink · 03/07/2020 14:28

@Randomfires

Having, in a previous life, worked in creative agencies for a decent while I assure you there is no desire for Bodyform to ‘tell it like it is’ or ‘tell women’s stories’. Their only desire - and their brief to the creative agency - will be to increase sales. They have determined that this is a manner to do it - and it seems it’s worked. The idea of ‘having a brand cause’ js massive in marketing at the moment

The question I would ask is - what are they actually DOING to support women - apart from making a multi million pound emotional advert that drives sales?

Well of course, surely that’s quite obvious. I don’t think anyone thinks this is some kind of entirely altruistic exercise. But surely it doesn’t need to be. Anyone who expects advertising to be driven by anything but potential revenue generation is ridiculously naive.

I’m still always going to be more than happy to buy products from brands that don’t deny my lived experience or seek to erase my biological reality. And I will continue to boycott those brands and corporations that have out and out declared their contempt for women and children and our/their safety and protections.

By running an ad that is based on the reality of biological sex, they are supporting women in a hugely important way, given the current climate. Anything else they do is over and above, and I hope there is more being done in a range of ways. But in and of itself this is a very important statement.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 03/07/2020 14:28

Random I wouldn't say it makes me feel better. (In fact, I didn't). I think it's great that a company who's product is specifically made for women are actually making adverts that show they do have an understanding of what women actually experience. Yes, they want to make money, of course they do. But sanitary products are an essential so people who use disposable products will buy them anyway. They could have just made them 10p cheaper than their competitors and improved sales that way. But they've taken time to actually think about it.

LillianBland · 03/07/2020 14:27

@Randomfires

Having, in a previous life, worked in creative agencies for a decent while I assure you there is no desire for Bodyform to ‘tell it like it is’ or ‘tell women’s stories’. Their only desire - and their brief to the creative agency - will be to increase sales. They have determined that this is a manner to do it - and it seems it’s worked. The idea of ‘having a brand cause’ js massive in marketing at the moment

The question I would ask is - what are they actually DOING to support women - apart from making a multi million pound emotional advert that drives sales?

None of us are stupid, we know it’s their job to sell stuff. They’re centring women in an advert for something that only females need. That’s a huge thing nowadays, with all the virtue signalling so many companies are doing and the aggressive hatred towards those that refuse to stop centring females. They’re obviously not interested in woke cookies and that’s enough for me.