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This is not a woman?!

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decafjitters · 03/07/2020 10:44

I'm just slowly discovering that this is an issue due to reading some threads on here - I know this is from a few months ago but I just saw it on Facebook.

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-woman-admits-having-more-17788403

The headline says woman, all through the article says woman, but says 'she' is also known as John. Right Hmm

How is this allowed to happen? Is it counted in statistics as a woman?

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TehBewilderness · 05/07/2020 21:37

The current effort to make female a subset of woman in order to make transwomen a subset of woman instead of a subset of males needs to be confronted.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/07/2020 12:52

A warm welcome to those who have only recently found out how insane the world is now! I often wish I could have stayed in blissful ignorance for a few more years; it is a huge trauma not only finding out what is going on but that virtually all the “adults in the room“, as it were, are at best ignoring it or at worst enabling and promoting it, telling us it is a “good thing”, and vilifying those of us who object to our mistreatment.

I’ve seen things come a long way in the time I’ve been following this (about five years) but we still have a very long way to go, and the only way forward is for more and more women - and men - to wake up to what is going on and get really, really angry about it.

How we undo the brainwashing of (particularly) younger people, who are more likely to have bought into it all, I’m not so sure. But I hope the generation that comes after them will be more connected to reality and actual social justice, and will tell them in their turn that they are the outdated, irrelevant ones!

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/07/2020 12:42

SetYourselfOnFire thanks for that link to Matthew “Madilyn” Harks. He features in this excellent interview of Heather Mason by Meghan Murphy of Feminist Current - she says he has left a trail of victims in his wake in the Canadian prison system.

Really, really recommend watching this video if you’ve got 45 minutes to spare. It’s horrifying, and a stark warning about what would happen if we were to go down the self ID route and let male prisoners be incarcerated with women simply on their say-so. Like a dream come true for men whose chief aim in life is to sexually harass and abuse women.

Things are bad enough here, but my heart aches for the vulnerable women in Canada being so monstrously betrayed by their deeply woman-hating government.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/07/2020 12:33

@Standrewsschool

Read the article and confused. Are we assuming it’s a woman,who also uses a male name, Or a man, who is self-identifying with a woman’s name?
We’re not assuming anything, we know in this case (as it almost always is) that it is indeed a man who is self identifying with a woman’s name.

John Marshall.

Just a reminder: 80,000 images of child abuse, of which 677 were category A, the worst type, depicting rape or a child being subjected to pain.

Is he in a women’s prison, I wonder, many of which have mother and baby units attached? Or have the authorities actually learnt anything from the case of Stephen Wood (the paedophile and rapist who calls himself Karen White)?

These are not our crimes, indeed.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/07/2020 08:59

There will be some misogynists who're all "see, women do it to!"

'Lisa' figured in a Daily Telegraph piece titled 'The truth about female sex offenders'. IIRC they were taking the 'women do it too' line, rather than 'er.... they're actually not all female'.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/07/2020 08:56

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up

And the obfuscation can delay that - as when 'Lisa Hauxwell' was on the run, and the media was asking people to look out for a woman.

'Lisa' was a convicted rapist. But sure, let's worry more about respecting 'her' pronouns than recapturing her - really?

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/31/lisa-hauxwell/

Desperatelyseekingreason · 04/07/2020 08:52

Here's another to distort the crime statistics www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/wife-plymouth-sex-monster-court-4282879

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/07/2020 08:49

Like most others I read "woman commits long list of bizarre sex crimes" and assume the "woman" in question was born with a penis. There will be some misogynists who're all "see, women do it to!" but most people are going to read something like that as such an obvious man bites dog story that they'll be looking for the cracks through which it's possible to figure out what actually happened.

Bmidreams · 04/07/2020 08:45

Women born female

Love the absolute bullshittedness of this sentence.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 04/07/2020 08:43

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender.

It's about sex, @Wannabangbang. Physical sex. Male prisoners should be locked up with other men. Putting a male sex offender in the female estate is totally wrong. Those women deserve better than that. Being deprived of their liberty is the punishment, not being locked up with some sexual predator

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/07/2020 08:40

@Wannabangbang

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender. How about get some anger for what this person did!!
Please do provide us with statistics on how many women born female are convicted as paedophiles, @Wannabangbang. You will of course also provide the male statistics. Even with the distortion that comes from counting some people born male as women for the purposes of the crime stats, I think you'll find that at least 97% of those convicted are men. I believe researchers have also identified that the great majority of women convicted of these offences were acting with or at the behest of a man.

This stuff really matters when it comes to safeguarding and research into the causes and effective treatment of sex offending.

SnuggyBuggy · 04/07/2020 08:32

Honest data on who is committing which crimes is important

FizzFan · 04/07/2020 08:27

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up not whether they were or are a man or a woman. Women born female can be paedophiles too so i don't get why the angst about a gender. How about get some anger for what this person did!

So it’s OK for vulnerable women to be locked up with him is it?

He needs to be locked up for sure. In the prison that corresponds to his sex. A MALE prison

BreatheAndFocus · 04/07/2020 08:21

It would make sense for the police to record both sex and gender surely?

I don’t understand why they don’t. How complicated would it be?

And yes, I too look for a picture now when I read about a “woman” being convicted of sexual assault and similar. I remember how naive I was a few years ago when I read a similar story, looked at the photo (which looked like a photo of a man) and assumed they must have put the wrong photo in the story.

SnuggyBuggy · 04/07/2020 07:52

I'm guessing the only way the writer was allowed to allude to this person's sex was by mentioning their alias.

Standrewsschool · 04/07/2020 07:50

Read the article and confused. Are we assuming it’s a woman,who also uses a male name, Or a man, who is self-identifying with a woman’s name?

Bananabixfloof · 04/07/2020 07:41

@Queenoftheashes

This is dismal

Surely people will start noticing though ?

I have been on here I think 5 years trying to tell people. I noticed about a decade ago what was happening but could not find anywhere to discuss until I stumbled into here.

I've had to change my username multiple times and I hoped against all odds when the data breach happened that i wouldn't be doxxed.

It appears people will either immediately see the issues or the be kind to the trans kicks in and they defend defend defend. All we can do is keep raising the issues and hope that eventually they see.

EdgeOfACoin · 04/07/2020 07:03

And yes, OP, I am in a similar place to you. I had no idea how bad this all was until about six months ago.

The fact that our politicians (especially those in the SNP, Labour and the Lib Dems) cannot even begin to grasp this issue is horrifying.

EdgeOfACoin · 04/07/2020 07:00

Remember, it is offensive to 'deadname' people or out someone as trans. I suspect the wording of 'alias' is to try and avoid that issue.

Usually there is a photograph of the perpetrator, which helps to work out what is going on.

TehBewilderness · 04/07/2020 02:34

In Canada they are required by law to refer to trans women as she and her, so the ethical journalists started posting pictures of the perps so that people could judge for themselves.

Reporting this way isn't required by law in the UK but Stonewall got out in front of the law by doing the training and advising of the police and the judges so that women like Maria Maclachlan were ordered by the judge to refer to the male who assaulted her as she.

SerenityNowwwww · 03/07/2020 22:52

So that’ll be a woman’s jail or let off Scot free then?

SetYourselfOnFire · 03/07/2020 19:55

@Fairenuff

Surely all that matters here is that this paedophile is locked up

In a women's prison?

Seriously. And before you think 'well a pedo won't rape adult women' after being moved into women's prison, let me tell you about Matthew/Madilyn Harks.

*BTW that article was written last year. The prison released him again on a weekend pass and he escaped/went MIA.

SetYourselfOnFire · 03/07/2020 19:54

BigGee:
^I assume I'm being lied to, and I assume that everyone is absolutely 100% prepared to lie. We know the police lie. We know the media lie. We know the men lie. We know the online community lie. I assume every blasted thing is a lie nowadays.^

That's exactly how I feel too. This movement has undermined by ability to trust anything I read.

Queenoftheashes · 03/07/2020 18:25

The article isn’t clear but it seems to be a trans woman from other articles-

transcrimeuk.com/2020/02/23/john-julie-marshall/

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