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"How the 'Karen Meme' Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood"

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Igneococcus · 03/07/2020 09:17

This just popped up as a recomendation in Firefox when I open a new tab. I can't fully read it right now because I'm in a meeting any moment now (someone's still sorting out techinical issues), but a first quick scan makes me go "WTF" :

time.com/5857023/karen-meme-history-meaning/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

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merrymouse · 07/07/2020 06:27

This is no different from women claiming theres some kind of oppressive patriarchy.

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The existence of misogynist memes is not evidence that racism and sexism don’t exist. I think your logic is faulty.

DivineTruth · 07/07/2020 04:13

Can people not see the correlation in the application of identity politics across different groups. This is no different from women claiming theres some kind of oppressive patriarchy. It uses group identity to form a narrative that is both destructive and destabilising to society as a whole.

Its got to stop.

Karenmicfurson · 07/07/2020 01:36

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HeistSociety · 07/07/2020 01:36

The most pumpkin latte sipping basic b I know is my gay, mixed race niece, ironically. I think she's the only one in the family to even enter a Starbucks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 01:29

merrymouse

Oh yes I was thinking of "basic bitch" earlier reading this thread!

merrymouse · 07/07/2020 01:13

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/14/proud-to-be-basic-bitch

On the earlier, younger version of the ‘Karen’.

merrymouse · 07/07/2020 01:08

It's as if intersection magically disappears when it involves class. Quite a magic trick, that.

Very true.

HeistSociety · 07/07/2020 01:05

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

The whole Poshy McPosh would like working class women to shut up certainly does add an interesting layer, doesn't it?
It's as if intersection magically disappears when it involves class. Quite a magic trick, that.

Clearly, for the upper class 'read books! Shut up, mum!' crowd, anti racism is just a fashion, and not part of any consistent ethical approach to the multifaceted issue of societal injustice.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2020 01:04

The whole Poshy McPosh would like working class women to shut up certainly does add an interesting layer, doesn't it?

It really does. As has been said, these women aren't offering to pipe down, are they? One can only hope this is considered effective and dynamic enough.

merrymouse · 07/07/2020 01:00

www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21079162/karen-name-insult-meme-manager

Article from February. It’s just plain sexist.

It was popularised by a man complaining about his ex wife.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 00:21

I did. Let me tell you, the "girlslikeus" tag was quite the education!

Goosefoot · 07/07/2020 00:19

"Educate yourself" has to be about the most patronising phrase ever.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 06/07/2020 22:54

Leave the sphere of discussion, I can only presume. Older, common sorts of women should be unseen and not heard?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 22:28

Also, what does "leave" even mean? Leave Twitter? Leave the country? Cause post Brexit that's not really going to be an option.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 22:27

The whole Poshy McPosh would like working class women to shut up certainly does add an interesting layer, doesn't it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 22:19

Dear Charlotte/Amelia/Binky Fotherington-Smythe

  1. 'Educate yourself'
  2. 'Try not to be defensive'.
  3. 'Don't be so loud'.
  4. 'Basically, leave'
  1. I already have, and have a couple of decades on you and your internally misogynistic cool girl act
  2. Get fucked
  3. Get fucked
  4. Can you even hear yourself?
ScrimpshawTheSecond · 06/07/2020 22:16

Aye, it's not the 'skincare regime', m'dear, that is giving people the impression of a teenager.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 22:13

That clip was basically just "women older than me should shut up and make way for me". Nah, kid, not happening.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/07/2020 22:12

Still laughing about the BBC deleting that tweet. Turns out that the general public isn't so keen on being smarmed at by smug kids, eh? I wonder if the delayed impact of Labour getting a thorough arse kicking at the last election is starting to sink in.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 06/07/2020 22:12

jess, I was referring to the women in the BBC clip who were saying 'Karens' should shut up and leave. I completely agree with you.

FWIW I'm quite happy to consider intersectionality within feminism in terms of black women, other pressures faced etc. The 'Karen' slur is not that, though. It's just ageist, classist and sexist.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 22:10

I keep doing this today! I completely agree with Heist.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 22:10

If you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, by virtue of your sex and skin colour and NOT your actions, there is no role other than as willing puppet, punching bag, and scapegoat for the actions of white men.

As an abuse survivor, I'm not hanging around for that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 22:07

In the UK "Charlotte" and "Amelia" could specifically describe the weaponisation of a particular kind of class privilege. Come on, this isn't hard.

Seriously? Grin

jessstan2 · 06/07/2020 21:50

ScrimpshawTheSecond Mon 06-Jul-20 14:47:23
I see, RoyalCorgi. There seem to be quite a few of these educated, well spoken white women who do a lot of hectoring and attacking of older, less privileged women. Odd, really. Maybe not.
......
They aren't all called 'Karen' though.
It's the name I object to.

TheRealMcKenna · 06/07/2020 21:40

The BBC tweet appears to have been disappeared?

The podcast episode ‘No country for young women’ is still there I see.

You can leave a rating or a review on iTunes should you feel so inclined...

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