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Dr Jordan Peterson

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12boo · 02/07/2020 12:24

I believe I am a feminist
But I seem to be a fan of Jordan Peterson. Are these states totally incompatible?

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 02/07/2020 12:43

Most of what I've seen him say is overtly sexist I'm afraid. His main talking point seems to be that 1) women are biologically predetermined to be better at caring jobs and men are biologically predetermined to be better at maths, engineering, and being the boss. 2) The kind of work women are innately drawn to is objectively easier, less valuable, and lower skilled than the work men are innately drawn to, therefore those jobs will always command a lower wage. 3) Men will therefore always earn more than women and there's nothing anyone can or should do about it, the wage gap is feminist progaganda, and women would be happier if they could just learn to accept their naturally place in society. This of course, all backed up by a massive dose of evangelical Christianity. Not much for a feminist to find common ground with there I'm afraid. Even the trans stuff is coming from a different place - we want to unhitch gender from sex completely and let men be freely feminine, he opposes transgenderism because he wants gender to be inseparable from sex and thinks everyone should stay in their original box. The man is odious.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/07/2020 12:40

I think he’s right on some things and wrong on others. It’s not a problem-we don’t have to be tribal!

TBHno · 02/07/2020 12:39

He's one of the only prolific Canadians speaking out against gender ideology, I believe? That takes bravery.

12boo · 02/07/2020 12:38

@Wasabiaddiction

Same here.

I think that his focus on getting men to "clean their room" and grow up is of the benefit of women.

Yes I agree I doubt I agree with everything he says but overall he seems totally considered in his views. I really admire the way he speaks and I he gets misquoted a lot
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SarahTancredi · 02/07/2020 12:36

I think that whatever his views and their compatibility, his contribution to beginners like myself , in attempting to debate subjects, proving that you do indeed need to educate yourself a little, and develope your skills in articulating your point , well hes a useful starting point.

He demonstrates nicely that going into a debate armed only with feelings mantras and a false sense of " I've got all the men behind me patting my back" will not win an argument.

Doyoumind · 02/07/2020 12:35

Don't like the man at all.

Wasabiaddiction · 02/07/2020 12:34

Same here.

I think that his focus on getting men to "clean their room" and grow up is of the benefit of women.

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