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Found this on twitter

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SarahTancredi · 02/07/2020 11:06

And thought it was interesting.

Not sure what go make of it.

If its true then thats alot of time and money wasted.
www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottinghamshire-police-end-participation-stonewalls-3289244.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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OvaHere · 02/07/2020 11:52

@SarahTancredi

Budgets only stretch so far so I think it's about taking it from one diversity pot to put it into another

The article said the resource hasnt decreased.

I am genuinely wondering what they have to do. I mean presumably once they have implemented stuff that stuff wont change so what is the ranking based on. What are the criteria

I see. Perhaps I misunderstood.
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SarahTancredi · 02/07/2020 11:44

So basically, it took alot of time and money , the stuff got every increasingly harder to implement, they were paying for the privilege of jumping through impossible hoops that had potential to threaten relationships with staff and still it wasnt enough to even make the top ten...

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Imnobody4 · 02/07/2020 11:42

The force can't confirm the exact time it took for staff to compile the information to submit a Stonewall application, however, we can say it took the equality and diversity officer at least three months to input the relevant data.

"The cost for submission was in the excess of £1,000."

In 2018 our ranking decreased very slightly by four points to 39th out of 434 employers.
“This was due to the changes in the assessment cycle and the additional criteria included within the index to promote trans+ inclusion.

Hope other forces follow suit. Talk about the tale wagging the dog.

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SarahTancredi · 02/07/2020 11:36

Sometimes I feel that the balance is a bit one-sided and certainly I would be concerned if my staff associations were concerned, but they’re not

What could this mean do you think. And does that hint that the police could potentially be responding to calls and reciting crimes etc when they were unable to implement the criteria themselves ?

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highame · 02/07/2020 11:35

I hope I haven't confused things. Diversity needs the budget to go across the piece and not to the loudest voices.

highame · 02/07/2020 11:33

I saw a police vehicle with masses of logos, including Stonewall. I wrote to our Police and Crime Commissioner to find out whether this affected the independence of the Police. I think there has been a big re-think after a court case on free speech (can't remember the details) but the judge said we were not a NAZI state. I know the police were glad to have some direction within the law.

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SarahTancredi · 02/07/2020 11:31

Budgets only stretch so far so I think it's about taking it from one diversity pot to put it into another

The article said the resource hasnt decreased.

I am genuinely wondering what they have to do. I mean presumably once they have implemented stuff that stuff wont change so what is the ranking based on. What are the criteria

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OvaHere · 02/07/2020 11:29

I suspect it's related to money and the need to be seen to investing in better race relations at a time when tensions are heightened and BLM are making a lot of noise about defunding the police and other structural change.

Budgets only stretch so far so I think it's about taking it from one diversity pot to put it into another.

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SarahTancredi · 02/07/2020 11:27

Reading between the lines it is possible to at the very least wonder that maybe the criteria got more and more difficult to implement. What would it be do you think that they would have to do. Presumably most work places have those who are gay or whatever akd are hopefully treated with respect and decency at work. Just what could be needed that costs 1000

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RoyalCorgi · 02/07/2020 11:24

Interesting. It could be a completely insignificant thing - as the article says, just a way of saving time and resource in compiling the entry. Or it could be an indication of Nottingham's disillusionment with Stonewall. Wasn't it Nottingham who decided to make misogyny a hate crime? I wonder if their eyes are being opened.

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