Can white women be allies to BME women?

So men are threatening her with violence and she is still blaming women for it.

Is she? Or is she showing why "karen" behaviour is problematic (in many ways) because it perpetuates the idea that they need protection from black people(men in particular)?

But what creates this assumption that people who are in some way disagreeing with the person they are talking to aren't hearing them? Unless you actually take the view that "listening" means totally leaving behind any element of thinking about what is being said and coming to your own conclusions?

So replying with you're a troll,you're a man, not all women, this isn't an issue,this doesn't exist, that's not my experience , exaggerated claims of "you just want us to feel guilty" etc. is "listening " and just disagreeing?

A lot of the comments, especially in beginning were worded in a way to make OP shut up and go away. That is not listening.

So men are threatening her with violence and she is still blaming women for it. Nice logic there.

Oh I see @DandyMandy so you are generalising all black women based on one?

It's ok, the big bad wolf has been told.

there are black women out there calling for revenge on white women

Is there? I have not seen this.

Yes, lovely woman.

Oh and the divide has always been there, the fact that you haven't noticed it speaks volumes.

The divide in feminism is caused by white women not listening to BAME women's struggle.

The divide in other areas is based on all people.

Considering there are black women out there calling for revenge on white women but acting like white men haven't done anything wrong, I don't see where we can go from here. I care about black women and girls but there is a total divide now that has never been more apparent to me. That divide will get bigger and we won't know how to overcome it.

I don't think the mind set of having to 'dismantle' things all of the time really get us anywhere.

Spoken from a place of privaledge. Of course people benefitting from the systems don't want to see it dismantled and rebuilt with equality in mind. Same way as many men don't want to see the patriachy dismantled.

Nobody forced him into a life of petty criminality, or to holding a knife to the belly of a pregnant woman, did they?

Clearly someone needs a lesson in structural and institutional racism. Also none of that is relevant to his murder.

Nobody forced him into a life of petty criminality, or to holding a knife to the belly of a pregnant woman, did they?

None of which had anything to do with his murder, so irrelevant.

Mainstream white feminist campaigning has since the time of the empire had racist undertones

Do you mean cultural presumptions & under-tones? Feminism has always been about cultural/social change in order to liberate women from enforced gender segregation and sex based violence and oppression, not so much about race.

The tone police are here! Yippee. Maybe I’m too angry? Black woman, angry...never heard that one before

There are lots of angry women here......it is the feminism board after all......but anger is not a good place in which to get stuck for anyone.
Shaking fists and shouting may energise, but it also traps people into a permanent state of grievance and opposition.

Recognising and supporting Black women to exercise their agency is about dismantling conditions that disproportionately favour White people

i also suspect if a community is always pitting itself against/trying to dismantle the dominant 'cultural ethic' or system, then there is a good chance they will reject what passes for success in it.

I know as an ex-teacher that the attitude towards education/educational achievement/ 'mainstream' success can be very different depending on the specific 'community' you are looking at. That is not all the fault of 'white privilege' but often about cultural issues and norms within that community itself. That goes for white communities too.

It's really quite a great interview, a lot of it resonated with me, especially talking about honesty as a part of being a good or just person.

Recognising and supporting Black women to exercise their agency is about dismantling conditions that disproportionately favour White people

I don't think the mind set of having to 'dismantle' things all of the time really get us anywhere. My view is that education/higher education is the route to greater representation, and to having more of a voice and a stake in society.

How do you propose George Floyd should have changed his mindset to survive

Nobody forced him into a life of petty criminality, or to holding a knife to the belly of a pregnant woman, did they? I'm sure he could have made different choices in his life - no matter how difficult his circumstances. We do all have individual agency and responsibility.

If for the sake of argument are to believe biology is the main determinant for women's caring behaviours (which has not been confirmed by research), that would actually support the pro-FGM stance that argues that these practices enhance women's biologically ordained qualities, characteristics and behaviours

in that context, then what FGM is doing is not so much as 'enhancing' a natural tendency, but enforcing a set of codified behaviours, whether or not the individual woman is compelled to express them or not. A naturally, healthy body does not require surgery to function or express itself. I know someone who in her role of community nurse frequently meets women and girls who have suffered/are suffering real physical harm & distress as a result of FGM.

My personal view is that while certain traits & tendencies are sex based: natural expressions of genetic programming/bio-chemistry etc, there is a spectrum of possible expression within each sex. FGM over-rides that and imposes a certain standard of culturally accepted behaviour.