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Your age is your age, your sex is your sex. Neither can be changed.

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WindyTown · 01/07/2020 23:06

After reading about the Allison Bailey case today, I was thinking about how someone simply saying they identify as their non biological sex was to be accepted as such without question and how crazy this was.

And it came to me how this could be compared to age. So please hear me out and tell me if it makes no sense. And apologies in advance for going off on a tangent. Blush

There are some people who say that they do not feel their age and feel older than they are or younger than they are etc. And of course that is fine. People can feel how they want and dress and behave how they want provided they are not hurting others.

So an example: A person might say they still feel like they are 20 years old and wish to still go out partying every night; however their age is actually 70 years old. Just because this person “feels” they are 20 years old and demands others accept this as a fact, should everyone accept that their age is 20 despite the fact that their biological age is actually 70?
The answer is no; no one would ever accept their age is 20. Their age is what they were born with, it is a scientific, biological fact. It cannot be changed.
However, no one would object to the 70 year old going out partying every night should they wish to.
But the fact is, a person simply cannot claim to be a certain age based on how they “feel” and demand that others accept this as their age. Their age is a biological truth which cannot be changed and it is what it is. But of course, the 70 year old is free to act as if they were 20 years old should they wish to and no one would give a damn. Just don’t say you are 20 years old when you aren’t.

Just like if a 40 year old biological male demanded to be allowed in to a children’s play centre because he “feels” that he is 10 years old and therefore should be accepted as a child. Yet everyone can see he is not a child; he is a grown, adult man. His mature, adult body is evidence that he is not a child. Yet he is demanding others accept that he is a child because he “feels” he is a child and should be treated as such.
Should he be accepted as a child due to him “feeling” he is a child or do we accept the scientific and biological evidence, as well as what others can clearly see; that he is NOT a child and cannot be allowed in to children’s spaces.

A person is what they are. They are free to act how they want provided they are not hurting anyone; just don’t claim to be something which you biologically and scientifically are not and can never and don’t demand that others accept what is not scientifically and biologically true and never will be true.

(.......And breathe!)

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OhHolyJesus · 02/07/2020 11:08

I feel like I'm 103 and I still haven't had my birthday card from her Maj.

Dadaist · 02/07/2020 10:17

So I think you’re confusing sex with gender. You are also confusing mathematics with sex determination. You’re not really helping anyone other than saying ‘it’s just obvious- girls have long hair and boys have short hair - and that’s how you tell the difference in schools -just fact!
For example there are people born male (ie with male chromosomes) whose bodies do not respond to testosterone but do respond to progesterone. They do not develop male genitalia and grow up believing themselves to be women until they don’t menstruate. When it’s discovered they usually don’t wish to follow the ‘fact’ that they are male because they are female in every other respect (albeit often tall).

People’s birth sex is made ‘fact’ by external genitalia at birth. Sometimes it’s indeterminate, sometimes it’s wrong -so it’s not fact and doesn’t always settle the matter.
But 2 plus 2 is always 4. So not the same thing at all.

People’s sexuality, their gender and their inner and outward self can be very different.

Some people who have periods don’t wish to be considered female, and live as a man. I’ll respect their choice, and call them by the name they choose and the pronouns they prefer. I think it’s a shame men and women can’t be as masculine or as feminine as they like without feeling the need to be defined as man or woman. But I don’t really care what the clinician put on the notes after looking at their genitalia for a few seconds when they were born.

SheldontheWonderSchlong · 02/07/2020 09:29

Thanks for sharing that video - it was very amusing. Jane Fae's insistence that gender identity isn't the same thing as a feeling. If it's not based on feelings then what on Earth is it?

It seemed very much like Jane was basically saying 'you're not allowed to be special, I'M the special one'.

GrossePois · 02/07/2020 09:14

@BahHumbygge I’m an Aquariun, not all it’s cracked up to be.

BahHumbygge · 02/07/2020 06:42

I'd like to change the birthdate on my official documents so I can identify as a cool quirky Aquarian - is that possible? All the cis-starsign folx out there can't understand the turmoil us astrologically-dysphoric souls feel who should have been born under a differing star Sad

DryHeave · 02/07/2020 05:36

I feel like I’m in my 70s and should get a pension, free bus pass, free TV license, winter fuel allowance...

Maduixa · 02/07/2020 04:01

Here's another instance from the US earlier this year - Michigan: Previously convicted sex abuser Joseph Gobrick, 45, defends self against new child pornography charges by claiming to be an eight year old girl, is sentenced to up to 20 years. From the court record: “I’ve always been an 8-year-old girl. And even my drawings and fantasies, I am always an 8-year-old."

nypost.com/2020/01/14/convicted-sex-offender-offers-bizarre-defense-in-kiddie-porn-case/

OldCrone · 01/07/2020 23:39

Watching him interviewed along side Jane fae was hilarious.

Winesalot · 01/07/2020 23:12

X post with Sarah.

Winesalot · 01/07/2020 23:12

There was an interesting case of a man in the Nederlands who tried and failed to legally do change his age.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46425774

SarahTancredi · 01/07/2020 23:11

There was a Dutch man who wanted to be recorded as being 20 years younger as his dr said his health was that if someone 20 years younger.

Needless to say he wasnt allowed to change his birth certificate.

Watching him interviewed along side Jane fae was hilarious.