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Mara Wilson thinks dyeing your hair proves you can change your biology...

113 replies

newrubylane · 30/06/2020 13:33

Yes, really.

twitter.com/MaraWilson/status/1277355485297905665?s=19

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insideandout3 · 30/06/2020 19:35

Shall I start a petition to rename hair dye into 'gender fluid'?

AuntyFungal · 30/06/2020 19:30

If they’ve created a magic hair dye - why doesn’t my wrinkle cream work?

It’s got to be a piss take?

JunoJigglewick · 30/06/2020 19:14

Although may be it is down to biology that my mum and her two estranged sister's all went prematurely blonde around mid 50s from their natural dark brown (greying) hair. Maybe it was a quirk of the menopause?

JunoJigglewick · 30/06/2020 19:12

I've read her tweet and some of the responses to it. I'm not quite sure I understand what point she is trying to make.

Is it: becoming a different gender is as easy as dyeing hair?

Or your biological sex changes when you make cosmetic changes to your body?

Is it?

Confused
FedUpAtHomeTroels · 30/06/2020 19:06

Jeez doesn't anyone proof read for these people before tweeting, they sound like complete idiots, or stuck at about 8 or 9 years old.

TyroSaysMeow · 30/06/2020 19:00

I had previously paid no attention to the HP fandom. Were they always this barmy?

Having spent my formative years in HP fandom, I can confirm: yes, we they were always this barmy. First furry I ever met was in in HP fandom; everyone I ever knew there seems to have come out as some flavour of queer these days.

Can't remember the Rita Skeeter description; my GoF reread stalled a week or so back just after the fourth champion was announced. Must get back to it and see what's so objectionable about it.

picklemewalnuts · 30/06/2020 18:53

She claims to have written "True Stories of Girlhood"! I mean that's transphobic surely? How does she know she was a girl? She may become a man next year, which means she was actually a boy all along.

D'you think someone should tell her?

ShagMeRiggins · 30/06/2020 18:52

I knew American education system is bad but this is priceless

Any worse than in the UK?

I don’t see why you need to drag Americans or the education system into this thread simply because Mara Wilson is American and tweeted something uninformed and illogical, Imnobody4. It’s hugely insulting, not to mention ignorant and possibly xenophobic.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/06/2020 18:49

I had previously paid no attention to the HP fandom. Were they always this barmy?

SunsetBeetch · 30/06/2020 18:45

@Collidascope

Speaking of people getting their information off Twitter:

mobile.twitter.com/FlLMGIRLTHOT/status/1277738014043713539

I just... How do these people get through a day without exploding in a grand conflagration of their own terrifying stupidity and outrage?
The "omg she evil" and dumbass GIFs. Jesus Christ.

That thread gets even more batshit:

"Some one pointed out to me the other day to re-read the way Rita Skeeter is described as looking, in the books.

Keep in mind she's also an 'unregistered Animagus', so she can 'change her form to sneak into places she is not meant to be'

I fucking. Rowling is pure evil."

twitter.com/NMorganCreates/status/1277747009357787136?s=19

I'm agog.

MrsNoah2020 · 30/06/2020 18:39

@crumpet

Perhaps “Just for Men” could help us all break the glass ceiling.
Grin
newrubylane · 30/06/2020 18:30

@MorrisZapp

Mara Wilson thinks dyeing your hair proves you can change your biology...
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newrubylane · 30/06/2020 18:28

Someone on the thread claims that she isn't claiming hair dye alters biology, merely pointing out that:

"'t*rfs' (his word not mine) cling to the argument that trans people are at odds with their own biology, but then they readily alter their own bodies to suit their needs when their biology no longer suits them."

Which is the nearest thing I've seen to a rational interpretation of her tweet, but even if that is what she's trying to say, it's a weak argument: no one gives a shit what (adult) trans people do with their own bodies, that's their business; we just don't think it makes them a woman or in may way entitled to any of the legal protections women need, any more than dyeing your hair makes you a natural blonde/ten years younger/a woman/anything other than a person with dyed hair.

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TyroSaysMeow · 30/06/2020 16:45

Um, biology is how the women in my hair have red hair at sixty. It doesn't always come out of a bottle, y'know? Honestly, she's completely erasing the lived experience of natural born redheads, and we get a shit enough deal as it is. Looks like gingerphobia to me.

Collidascope · 30/06/2020 16:44

Speaking of people getting their information off Twitter:

mobile.twitter.com/FlLMGIRLTHOT/status/1277738014043713539

I just... How do these people get through a day without exploding in a grand conflagration of their own terrifying stupidity and outrage?
The "omg she evil" and dumbass GIFs. Jesus Christ.

RatinaMaze · 30/06/2020 16:32

@Icantreachthepretzels

As someone in the replies pointed out it's actually a brilliant analogy for the whole trans debate. Viz and to wit you can chemically alter the external appearance of your body but underneath it remains exactly the same as it always was. Oh - and the chemicals are probably causing untold damage.
Exactly this! I kind of get what she was trying to say but ultimately she is talking about people (women, obvs) altering their external appearance to pretend to be something they are not (blonde, young etc) and comparing this to the trans movement so, in effect, agreeing that trans people are pretending to be something they are not.

Wonderful own goal there, Mara!

MasterGland · 30/06/2020 16:30

Hmm. You change your phenotype by dyeing your hair, and your phenotype is part of your "Biology". Dyeing your hair does not change the underlying genotype, of course. I don't know which she meant, but I am getting tired of the misuse and misunderstanding of science in the public sphere. (sorry for barging in on your topic)

twoHopes · 30/06/2020 16:28

I don't think anyone is saying "you can't change your biology" are they? Every time I take the pill I'm changing "my biology". People are saying you can't change sex. Dying your hair does not change your sex, taking/blocking hormones does not change your sex. Why is it so hard to understand?!

mumwon · 30/06/2020 16:21

can I ask a dumbish question
If you are a transman do you usually take hormones & do those hormones stop periods? (yes I know about the transman - cant remember name who went on to give birth & than tried to get themselves put on birth cert as dad. I wonder if he was on hormones & took himself off?)

agentnully · 30/06/2020 16:21

@feelingverylazytoday

A lot of Americans are now either don't understand, or are actively 'anti science' it would appear, and this is just one example. It's starting to cause them real problems with the coronavirus (quoting Dr Fauci here).

Obviously we have to be polite and tactful on here , but I often just think to myself 'you sound as if you're really fucking stupid' when I read posts on here about transwomen are women and some men have periods and the rest of the nonsense.

Spot on.

I'd like to add that most appear to get their "facts" from Twitter/Facebook and because someone (who could be anyone and rarely someone they know) on there said something it must be true.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 30/06/2020 16:13

I thought she was joking when I saw it. I also thought she was quite bright but it looks like I was very very wrong.

feelingverylazytoday · 30/06/2020 16:09

A lot of Americans are now either don't understand, or are actively 'anti science' it would appear, and this is just one example. It's starting to cause them real problems with the coronavirus (quoting Dr Fauci here).

Obviously we have to be polite and tactful on here , but I often just think to myself 'you sound as if you're really fucking stupid' when I read posts on here about transwomen are women and some men have periods and the rest of the nonsense.

Soubriquet · 30/06/2020 16:07

GrinGrinGrin

Mara Wilson thinks dyeing your hair proves you can change your biology...
EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 30/06/2020 16:06

@FantaOra

''I have a family member who works in biology''

A hairdresser then?

Grin
FantaOra · 30/06/2020 16:05

''I have a family member who works in biology''

A hairdresser then?

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