Please tell me about JK Rowling

I still don't do all the stereotypical "woman" things tw seem to think are so defining. No lipstick or nail polish, no sexy lingerie, no high heels, no hair dye, hairdresser maybe once a year. So I am gender-non-conforming, whatever that means.

Yep. Same here. Woman are not defined by their hair, clothes and makeup. They are defined by their biological reality. Which is why we never get a rational answer when asking tw the question what is a woman.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves.

Unpopular opinion I know.

Not at all. My question is why? What is gender dysphoria trying to solve?

@SapphosRock

There has been a 4000% increase In teenage girls being referred to gender clinics. If that’s the true incidence, there where are all the middle aged women realising that they are actually men? There should be thousands, and yet later transitioners are almost exclusively male.

What about the detransition rates, and the fact referred children are overwhelmingly same sex attracted and 48% are autistic?

And that clinicians are resigning saying they’re concerned that they are setting gay, autistic and traumatised kids on an irreversible medical pathway?

Nothing there that merits further exploration? Only explanation for concerns about all of that is horrible bigotry?

My first thought on reading the OP was ‘who listens seriously to a 13 year old parroting what a YouTuber has to say?’

And then I thought, the Tavistock & Portman clinic, that’s who.

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I kind of agree with this, but I think society is in danger of confusing two things:

1. People with severe, lifelong gender dysphoria (as you say, likely innate) who may need medical treatment to feel happy in themselves ... I think these people exist but it is rare

2. People who are somewhat gender non-conforming (I imagine a combination of innate and societal) - covering many disparate groups of people, most of whom are generally okay with their physical body and traditionally have not required medical treatment - who are now being subsumed under the "trans" label and some heading down a medical route

*come to terms ... not cone

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves

Indeed, whenever I look in the mirror I’m surprised by the person in it, and have always been. This is a problem I have to cone to terms with, without chopping bits off, constantly making myself up to look like someone else on my Instagram account, and invoking a whole load of me me me identity politics. I’d far rather wear men’s jeans and actually have them fit like men’s jeans. Doesn’t get away from the immutable and inescapable fact that I’m a woman.

She said she loves and supports trans people and your son said that’s horrendous? What a little bigot your son is! Goodness! Imagine being the parent of a child that openly declared hatred for someone supporting trans people!
(And women)
Yeah op. I’d be embarrassed about his level of critical thinking. Do better.

Sapphos I do have some sympathy with what you're saying actually.

But to me the difference is: if someone thinks they are gay/lesbian/bi as a teen, that may continue their whole life or they may change their mind, and no harm done either way.

Same goes for a gender non-conforming teen, if it doesn't involve medical treatment: they can choose the clothes/hair/name etc they feel most comfortable with and maybe they'll be this way their whole life, maybe not, either is okay.

But the key thing for me with teens identifying as trans is the fact that some are going down a route of potentially irreversible, life-altering medical treatment. For those who are severely dysphoric and will likely be trans for life, I'm sure this is a positive thing. However I'm really worried that some teens will take a medical route when, with time, they may have come to accept themselves without needing it (possibly continuing to be gender non-conforming, possibly not). I fear we are not adhering to the medical principle of "first do no harm".

I definitely resented my twin brother when I was going home from school for 2-3 days every 21 days because of my crippling period pain. I had to wait 10 years for a diagnosis and now be treatment is essentially "stuff you full of hormones and hope for the best". I was actively jealous that he was a boy and didn't have to deal with any of that, or the social differences and expectations on girls and boys. Life was much more straightforward for him and I would have given anything for mine to be like his.

And the OP hasn't been back.

Surprise surprise.

I am so sick of all this faux 'can someone please explain to me because I'm too much of a silly lady to read the information and form my own opinion and I just don't understand'

It's goady and I'm sorry, so unintelligent. The OP is desperate for a 'gotcha' screenshot.

Please go away and come back when you've read stuff. Although I suspect you already have your formed opinion.

my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous Is your son Daniel Radcliffe? You must be so proud..

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I'm sure outside influences can play a part in some cases, again like sexual orientation.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves.

Unpopular opinion I know.

titchy true, you don't hear about late transitioning FTM people so much which led me to Google it. Found quite an interesting article from a trans man who transitioned at 54 who had previously been fairly happy as a lesbian:

www.trans.cafe/posts/2016/7/11/i-transitioned-at-54-here-are-the-lessons-i-learned

Some pre-schoolers insist they are the opposite sex and my DW knows a trans person in their late 80s

When my son was a pre schooler he insisted he was a train. We had to call him Thomas (as in Tank Engine) for months!

So the single point made by JKR that Sappho is here to denounce as arrogant hate etc. was actually Sappho lying about the words she had actually cut and pasted above her own words.

And then goes on to complain about a lesbian comment no one has made.

This is the standard of bullshit that comes with the world of trans. Dishonesty and ridiculousness.

I later became a girl again, and grew up to be a woman who loves living in her female body, loved the whole mothering thing, and now am a proper Granny.

I still don't do all the stereotypical "woman" things tw seem to think are so defining. No lipstick or nail polish, no sexy lingerie, no high heels, no hair dye, hairdresser maybe once a year. So I am gender-non-conforming, whatever that means.

I would definitely have been transed in the current climate. And it would have been wrong.

And I am speaking only for myself and what I went through; I don't even pretend to speak today's transing children. This was MY experience, and JK wrote about HER experience.

Anyone who sees an insult in this or is offended -- well, I suggest their problem goes deeper than gender dysphoria. That level of sensitivity is not healthy.
But I think you are offended on behalf of other people?

The ones that have consistently demonstrated severe dysphoria since early childhood need to be taken more seriously.

Sapphos, what, in your opinion, do you think is the cause of gender dysphoria in these specific children?

The ones that have consistently demonstrated severe dysphoria since early childhood need to be taken more seriously

Even that gets complicated when there's family dynamics involved though. Which can still lead to the potentially abusive transitioning of a child. A lot more input needs to be put in from gender identity clinics, an assessment not just of the child, but a thorough assessment of the family/ their school environment / their friendship groups / their social media use and so on as well. Transitioning a child should never ever be taken lightly without thorough checks and comprehensive assessments in place.

@titchy

I don't know why but I have never thought of it like that. Indeed, where are they?

Yet here I am now just fine with being a woman and have had children.

There's your answer. You are clearly not transgender.

However if I read that as a trans person I'd feel angry and misunderstood

Just as I'd feel annoyed if JK alluded to lesbianism being a social media craze and the result of peer pressure because she had OCD as a teenager and didn't fancy boys at the time

Im fed up of telling pro twaw people about my 2 years thinking I must be a boy and either being misunderstood or ignored because it doesn't fit the twaw narrative. My feelings back then were strong enough that had transitioning been an option I would have done it. Yet here I am now just fine with being a woman and have had children.

What your on about with jkr, lesbian and OCD I do not know. But it makes fuck all sense

How are we to determine which children and teens have gender dysphoria and which ones are going through a phase of some sort? Which ones should go on puberty blockers?

Good question. I would say the ones that dye their hair blue and insist on gender neutral pronouns, leave them to it. They'll grow out of it. The ones that have consistently demonstrated severe dysphoria since early childhood need to be taken more seriously.

Being trans does exist in all generations

Where are all the middle aged women transitioning to men then?