Please tell me about JK Rowling

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive

Well then, you have just dismissed umpteen women's experience, with a click of your condescending and patronising fingers.

I thought that puberty blockers were only prescribed to those with very severe dysphoria to buy time and avoid the distress of puberty in the 'wrong' gender. I didn't think they were easy to get hold of at all?

Dead easy. Mermaids points them towards the Webberleys. Phone call. Prescription in post. Job done.

If 95% of young people claiming to be transgender are not genuinely dysphoric (and it's likely to be much higher), then JKR's response saying 'I would have felt the same' is not remotely patronising or insulting. She's speaking to the 95+%, not the much much smaller percent for whom the issue is likely to be genuinely long term.

So to be clear, a child would never be prescribed cross sex hormones.

I thought that puberty blockers were only prescribed to those with very severe dysphoria to buy time and avoid the distress of puberty in the 'wrong' gender. I didn't think they were easy to get hold of at all?

So someone gender non confirming (I went through a phase of this too) would absolutely not fit the bill.

What is it about some posters that they can't read what someone - JKR or another poster - has written and just understand it? JKR writes lucidly and elegantly. What she write is really quite easy to comprehend.

She writes about her own experiences, nobody else's, but somehow there are people who perceive monstrous harmful hateful things that they can't quite define if asked, or point to in the text.

It's as if they've had a long personal conversation with the writer and misremembered things, but they haven't; it's all there in straightforward English words just waiting to be looked at again and read carefully.

No hate, no vitriol, nothing violent to be seen here, move along!

As the OP seems to have done. I hope s/he's reading and chatting happily with his/her DS and discovering what JKR actually said (or 'did').

A little commonsense and rationality goes a long way.

Absolutely agree.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive.

I think this is one of the problems though; that the two groups are being conflated and sent down a medical route (i.e. the few with severe gender dysphoria, and the many who are "just" gender non-conforming).

To be fair on JKR, she does say: "I want to be very clear here: I know transition will be a solution for some gender dysphoric people."

I think many people on here just worry that it's extremely difficult to tell the groups apart, especially in teens, therefore think that medical treatment should be reserved for adults and only after thorough examination of other reasons for the dysphoria.

Quite a lot of would absolutely have been diagnosed as transgender in their teens. And recognize that. It’s actually enormously alarming to realise. And terrifying that so many of us would have had our fertility compromised. It’s very scary to think that so many of these young girls would have grown up just like us had they been born earlier. Destroying fertility and sexual function without informed consent is utterly abusive.

Eveta that fact is she isn't transgender so her opinion insulting to people who are.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive

That's no reason for women to be quiet about abuse at the hands of men. What exactly does talking about our abuse have to do with trans people anyway, and why do you keep dismissing the many people on here who would have been transed only a few years ago?

I was called George for five years and seriously considered legal action against the Royal Marines for not allowing me to join with no penis. If someone had told me the crap they are peddling to teenage girls today I would absolutely have considered changing sex. I’m the mother of three children now. And have had the conversation about sex being real and immutable with one of them. (Quick, line up the glitter family).
Comes to something when the truth is banned and lies are heralded as a bright new dawn.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive

For talking about her own experiences? Shouldn't people be allowed to discuss their own experiences for fear of offending someone else then? Even if that experience could help someone else? Don't those people matter? I would think undoubtedly if someone makes the wrong decision about transitioning then their feelings about their ruined health would be way over and above feeling patronised and dismissed.

And if I was a person with severe, lifelong dysphoria I would have found JK's comments patronising and dismissive.

My question is why? What is gender dysphoria trying to solve?

I can't pretend to understand it but I imagine it's how I would feel as a woman to look in the mirror and see a beard, hairy chest and penis. It would feel weird and wrong.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves.

Like how I have spent a lot of time thinking that I'm fat when I'm actually quite underweight, and how I hated my big hips and thought they didn't belong on me, and how my breasts changed since I had a baby while I feel like I should have big round symmetrical ones, and how I think I have a deeper voice than I do and get an unpleasant surprise when I hear myself on a recording. I'm also a fantastic singer until heard, and my daughter is literally Spiderman.

Also, not sure how girl dicks and the female penis fit in.

The stuff about wizards shitting themselves is a joke ..... isn’t it?

true, you don't hear about late transitioning FTM people so much

Exactly. Ergo it's not inter-generational. All these teenage and younger girls claiming gender dysphoria that we have now, where were they 20/30 years ago? At the height of section 28 - and yet they didn't exist.

My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous

Well, I mean some of the plots and characterisation in the HP series was a bit weak, but this is predominantly a parenting forum, and she got a lot of reluctant readers reading, so I can see why she’s popular.

Not that?

Oh.

RaveOnThisCrazyFeeling’s post sums it up perfectly 👌

Yes, I was called a 'tomboy', and was very, very sure I never wanted children. Luckily, no one was around to give me medication that would have rendered my healthy body ill and infertile because now I think being a mother has been the best thing in my whole life.

I definitely didn't know enough about life to make that irreversible decision then.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves

True then, and true now, for me. Like a pp I am male in many of my dreams.

Im still mildly shocked by what I see in the mirror.

I posted this on the Glinner thread. This is my experience.

I'm sure there are a vanishingly few children that actually do know from a relatively young age that they feel like the wrong sex

Yep, I’ll hold my hand up and say I’m one of them. I KNEW for certain, in my very earliest memories (and backed up by myriad family recollections) I absolutely did not want to be a girl. I felt more like a boy, liked boy things. That feeling only grew stronger as I matured, peaking very painfully when I hit puberty.

Spoiler — im not a transman. I now know what drove those feelings. Transitioning would have made it worse, in the long run. But it would have given me a temporary fix that I estimate would have felt great, and lasted about 5 years.

So, far from being evil. T3RFS who don’t believe in trans people, many of us are actually trying to warn that the current dysphoria screening process isn’t fit for purpose and 5 to 10 years down the line theres going to be an utter shitstorm of legal action from all the poor bastards who were led down the garden path by well meaning, but misguided people.

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It’s almost irrelevant who is true trans and who isn’t, there’s scores of us on here saying ‘that would have been me‘

So, how do we tell the difference? Now, when we are screening teens and preteens for treatment since we know, from experience, sheer intensity of feeling isn’t it, neither is age of onset.

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation

I'm sure outside influences can play a part in some cases, again like sexual orientation

We should never transition children anyway, but where there may be outside influences that we cant even guess at, definitely no drugs, no surgery.

[quote SapphosRock]titchy true, you don't hear about late transitioning FTM people so much which led me to Google it. Found quite an interesting article from a trans man who transitioned at 54 who had previously been fairly happy as a lesbian:

www.trans.cafe/posts/2016/7/11/i-transitioned-at-54-here-are-the-lessons-i-learned[/quote]
If they were happy then why did they transition?

You see, there are an extraordinary number of children who are being told to pick Cinderella or GI Joe, and getting it wrong. Obviously. I can't emphasise that 'obviously', enough. This is a scandal that needs to stop.

And then there are children whose parents are homophobic or whose peers are homophobic or who are themselves homophobic. And need to transition to be heterosexual.

Then there are autistic children who don't feel like they fit in anywhere and think they might be trans as a result.

And of course there are children and young adults, who have suffered from some kind of sexual abuse and want to stop being the sex they are as they think that might put an end to it.

Gender dysphoria can arise out of all these things.

All these things need to be addressed.

Gender dysphoria is a solution or reaction to several problems.