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Please tell me about JK Rowling

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Feathered · 30/06/2020 12:18

There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

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prolefeed · 30/06/2020 21:15

And again - it will only be money that changes anything. No one gives a fuck about the human beings we are mutilating, but once the first few cases start hitting bank balances, it’ll be a different story.
It’s impossible to give informed consent or use Gillick competence if no one has even studied long term outcomes. Now that the NHS website has been updated to reflect this fact (yeahhhh we don’t know if there are long term consequences), there does seem to be a smidge of arse-covering happening.
Shame it’s not better promoted.

TyroSaysMeow · 30/06/2020 21:11

where are all the middle aged women realising that they are actually men?

Here on MN. There are shitloads of us who have realised that according to the tenets of genderism we're actually men.

We just don't view that as a good reason to declare we're actually men, tell our children we're not their mothers, and book in for a mastectomy.

And of course there are children and young adults, who have suffered from some kind of sexual abuse and want to stop being the sex they are as they think that might put an end to it.

At the age of two I was aware that boys were different from girls because boys weren't expected to fellate the man next door but girls were.

Unfortunately, as I've discovered through bitter experience, no amount of denouncing femininity and dissociating from my body has made the slightest bit of difference to my likelihood of being raped.

I did pass as a boy beautifully online as a teenager though. Fooled everyone. Just didn't see any point in trying it offline; it would have gone down like a lead balloon. If I'd had societal backing I'd have been on it like a shot.

NearlyGranny · 30/06/2020 21:07

I could weep for the girls and boys on puberty blockers who are potentially being robbed of their reproductive function and condemned to a lifetime of medication and/or endless surgeries, all before they are old enough even to give informed consent. I understand the trans lobby uses 'Gillick competence' which was developed to allow underage girls to access contraception to prevent their lives being ruined by an unwanted pregnancy. Now it's being used to allow all these synthetic cross-sex hormones in. What happened to "First, do no harm."?

There are going to be class actions in future that could bankrupt the NHS.

prolefeed · 30/06/2020 20:57

I know three girls below 16 on puberty blockers. Two are on T.
It is a disgrace. We are abusing children.

Bananabixfloof · 30/06/2020 20:56

@VickyEadieofThigh

One of the arguments I'm seeing here seems to be:
  1. Children and young people know if they're trans and must be allowed and supported to transition, including medically.
  1. Except the ones that decide after a while they're not trans, they were never trans.
  1. But all children know they're trans so if they say they are, they are and must be affirmed, etc.

Have I got that right?

Pretty much but no one has done any testing on puberty blockers, what damage they could do, if you can come off them and still go through puberty etc etc.
prolefeed · 30/06/2020 20:55

@SapphosRock

So to be clear, a child would never be prescribed cross sex hormones.

I thought that puberty blockers were only prescribed to those with very severe dysphoria to buy time and avoid the distress of puberty in the 'wrong' gender. I didn't think they were easy to get hold of at all?

So someone gender non confirming (I went through a phase of this too) would absolutely not fit the bill.

Except for the 16yo trying to fundraise to have her breasts replaced, because they were cut off at 15. Never happens, right? That nicely brings us to proponents of such surgery, who advocate for childhood ‘correction’ as, well, we can give you new tits later if you change your mind.
OldCrone · 30/06/2020 20:54

There’s a trans boy in my son’s year. He’s 13, taller than all the other boys and with a deeper voice and more facial hair - I dread to think what that particular cocktail of drugs is doing to a teenage girl’s body.

Are you in the UK? I thought prescribing cross-sex hormones to under-16s was illegal here. Isn't that what Helen Webberley was suspended for?

VickyEadieofThigh · 30/06/2020 20:53

One of the arguments I'm seeing here seems to be:

  1. Children and young people know if they're trans and must be allowed and supported to transition, including medically.
  1. Except the ones that decide after a while they're not trans, they were never trans.
  1. But all children know they're trans so if they say they are, they are and must be affirmed, etc.

Have I got that right?

Bananabixfloof · 30/06/2020 20:51

A bit like if one of them wrote an open letter to JK about their wizard stories, and gently suggesting to her that she's not really qualified to write about wizards
No one is qualified to write about wizards, they dont exist.
I dont believe men are qualified to represent women in any way at all, that means from parliament down.

Ninkanink · 30/06/2020 20:48

It is quite clear from JK’s comments that she was specifically talking about not being trans. That is where her concern in regards to transgender ideology lies. She used her own lived experience, which has also been backed up by many women in a recent thread here, to illustrate why this issue matters so greatly to her personally and also why it absolutely continues to be important to make a clear distinction on sex where warranted.

She is specifically talking about those young and vulnerable people who are not transgender and who absolutely should not be encouraged onto a pathway that is a) irreversible or b) potentially very damaging to their overall wellbeing or c) patently untrue - ‘of course you can literally become a boy/girl or man/woman.’

She has valid concerns about safeguarding of children and young people. That absolutely is not hateful. And in fact is not about trans people or their experiences at all.

stella47 · 30/06/2020 20:47

I fairly recently had a sudden shock when I realised that if I were in a play, or a musical, I'd be expected to play the female parts - In my mind I'd always be doing the male parts. It has actually put me off considering am dram.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 20:46

But it wasn’t about them it was about JK.

SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 20:43

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong they found the whole thing dismissive and patronising.

A bit like if one of them wrote an open letter to JK about their wizard stories, and gently suggesting to her that she's not really qualified to write about wizards.

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 30/06/2020 20:42

Sapphos: did you not watch the newsnight expose last Wednesday? Double figure clinicians are quitting the Tavistock because they say they are ignoring safeguarding concerns and that many children are being put on the path to sterilisation because not enough (or even any) talking therapy is offered.

So yes puberty blockers are being made available to many children without anything like "consistent dysphoria"

Wake up!!!!!!!

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 30/06/2020 20:38

@SapphosRock

Yes Datun I have a few good friends who are trans (who are all pretty pissed off and disappointed in JKR).

I disagree that I've been illogical and inconsistent.

As an aside, my trans women friends do not consider themselves women. They consider themselves trans women. And do not claim to speak for women or women's experiences.

Why are they pissed off with her?
Bananabixfloof · 30/06/2020 20:35

So to be clear, a child would never be prescribed cross sex hormones

I thought that puberty blockers were only prescribed to those with
very severe dysphoria to buy time and avoid the distress of puberty in the 'wrong' gender. I didn't think they were easy to get hold of at all

So someone gender non confirming (I went through a phase of this too) would absolutely not fit the bill

I dont know about children and cross sex hormones but I believe i saw that 14/15 year olds get put on them.

Why are we blocking puberty? If we go through puberty we become a bit smarter and probably that bit older and more able to deal with life. So if puberty blockers are just to pass better, why? Whats the big deal in passing better but having bigger problems from the blockers?
And they are amazingly easy to get hold of, if you cant get a prescription you can buy them online, same as "cross sex" pills.

And finally you keep dismissing us on here as gender non conforming. Why? I and others thought we were boys, just like the girls today. Only we weren't transed like they are now.
I believed I had to be a boy for various reasons. Others have their own story and you keep on dismissing them.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 20:35

who are all pretty pissed off and disappointed in JKR

Have any of them explained why?

SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 20:32

Yes Datun I have a few good friends who are trans (who are all pretty pissed off and disappointed in JKR).

I disagree that I've been illogical and inconsistent.

As an aside, my trans women friends do not consider themselves women. They consider themselves trans women. And do not claim to speak for women or women's experiences.

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HermioneWeasley · 30/06/2020 20:21

Children are being prescribed puberty blockers after a couple of sessions. A Tavistock whistleblower said she conferred with her supervisor when a family were insistent but the criteria for blockers weren’t met and was told to prescribe them.

There’s a trans boy in my son’s year. He’s 13, taller than all the other boys and with a deeper voice and more facial hair - I dread to think what that particular cocktail of drugs is doing to a teenage girl’s body.

Teenage girls are breast binding, which is ALWAYS harmful, sometimes causing permanent damage, children in the US are having mastectomies.

We are concerned for good reason.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 20:20

So to be clear, a child would never be prescribed cross sex hormones.

A certain disgraced GP (who relocated from Wales to Spain but still has the same U.K. patient base) prescribed cross sex hormones to a 12 year old natal girl.

The detransitioned boy in the Australian documentary was taking HRT prescribes to his mother (because she was terrified of the false suicide statistics that are weaponised by organisations like Mermaids and Allsorts).

Wondersense · 30/06/2020 20:20

There's no need to justify anything. Your son needs to read her full piece, read up on sexual violence stats, and learn about the history and development of women's spaces.

Datun · 30/06/2020 20:19

@SapphosRock

Eveta that fact is she isn't transgender so her opinion insulting to people who are.
That's the second time you have decided that a person cannot possibly have the same experience as another person, even though people have pointed out that is exactly what transitioning is.

Goady.

titchy · 30/06/2020 20:18

Oh the internet is chock full of affirmation websites which tells youngsters the right way to phrase things so that they'll get the outcome they need.

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