Please tell me about JK Rowling

Yep. If trans people and their supporters don’t want kids to mistakenly believe that they are trans, they need to stop this shit going into schools:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/don-t-tell-the-parents

www.genderbread.org/

Ds1 said a few years ago that he was glad he wasnt younger now because he would absolutely have believed he was a girl

He is neither silly nor misguided

Honestly, it's bad enough that there are misogynistic pricks threatening women with rape and death at every turn for trying to stop children being unnecessarily transed.

And those same children who are being actively taught in school that they might have a body that's wrong, because of the toy/clothes preferences, are, according to Sapphos, 'silly and misguided.'

So according to Sapphos, you're wrong to think you might be trans, despite being taught it, and women are wrong to try and stop it being taught.

i don't get how it's "appropriating the trans experience" to talk about one's own experiences of discomfort with one's sex and its ramifications

Its not...

@titchy

She didn't appropriate the trans experience saph. That was the point she was making - that she WASN'T trans

But sapphos has said this on a number of threads now

I thought it was bollocks then and is bollocks now

But in the same way you’re not going to change my opinion of it..sapphos won’t give it up either

I don't get how it's "appropriating the trans experience" to talk about one's own experiences of discomfort with one's sex and its ramifications.

We listen to trans-identified people talk, we say "yep, that was my experience too" - how is that appropriating when it's our own experiences of transness we're talking about?

She didn't appropriate the trans experience saph. That was the point she was making - that she WASN'T trans

"Appropriating the trans experience was misguided of her."

Every single man who identified as a woman is "appropriating" my experience - but we're all supposed to be fine with that!

I am surprised you have not come across her before. She is a hugely successful author who wrote a series of best-selling books about wizards and witches called “Harry Potter and the...”. These have in turn been made into blockbuster movies (though the acting of some of the main children characters could have been better). She has also written books under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. She is now very wealthy so not beholden to people who might try to manipulate her with threats that would make many less successful individuals succumb.

She has given many of her millions away to a number of good causes.

She, and her work, remains hugely popular.

Her essay had some excellent points in it too and was coming from a good place, but appropriating the trans experience was misguided of her.

And well done for denying the experience of dozens of women on here, 90% of all the children who have attended gender clinics, and every de-transitioner on the planet.

Score!

Sapphos, I'm sorry but I still don't understand how she "appropriated the trans experience" please can you explain it to me? What exactly did she say that wasn't simply "her" experience?

Now Datun I didn't think she'd said anything particularly wrong on Twitter initially. I can see how it could be read as goady by TRAs but she didn't deserve those responses.

Her essay had some excellent points in it too and was coming from a good place, but appropriating the trans experience was misguided of her.

Sorry I forgot the link. It's a 15 second read.

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Sappos, please read this and tell me what she said that you think was wrong, bearing in mind that you have already said "If she'd have stuck to writing about her DV charitable work and how women's refuges need to be safe female-only spaces".

And how do you think the response is 'reasonable'.

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I'm sure outside influences can play a part in some cases, again like sexual orientation.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves

Gender dysphoria is no more like sexual orientation than it's like IQ or dyslexia, either of which could also fit into the first two sentences.

Sexual orientation is about orientation in relation to other people - it's completely different from someone orienting their sense of self in relation to their own body and their conception of gender stereotypes and IMO, it's thoroughly unhelpful to suggest they are any more similar to each other than anything else going on in one's brain.

She said sex is real and menstruators was the wrong word to use for women. She never mentioned her dysphoria, and still got literally hundreds of people telling her to be fucked with a broken bottle and die sucking their dicks.

So don't tell me no one would 'reasonably' argue with her if only she hadn't mentioned the possibility that she could have been transed. The worst abuse, my FAR came at her before she even mentioned it. None of it was reasonable.

You haven't actually read the screenshots, have you.

In my eyes she ruined it by appropriating the experience of being transgender and dysphoric

But that’s NOT appropriating the experience of being trans. It OUR experience of gender identity. So many of us, on here TELLING You that it,is our lived experience. We hit all of those markers that are getting modern kids on the trans train, and more. By all modern definition we would have been those trans kids.

As pp said, it’s so telling that when women tell you (collective you,not personal you) this is our experience, we get dismissed. But here we are with people arguing that a man can know he’s a woman. No questions asked.

Back round in a circle once again. What’s the fundamental difference that gets the first group vilified or ignored, and the second group preferential treatment?

Yep, it’s a pile of misogynistic shite.

Ok out of curiosity I looked at buying testosterone online. It appears to be reasonably easy and cost around £80. I'm not an expert though.

And I already know HRT can be bought online because I tried last year for my menopause symptoms. And that's about £30.
Not the biggest cost to change ones entire body.
There appeared to be an online consultation but with the various media telling children how to con drs then an online consult would be dead easy.

The point is Datun she had a very powerful point. If she'd have stuck to writing about her DV charitable work and how women's refuges need to be safe female-only spaces then nobody could have reasonably argued with her. She would have been an influential woman writing about things that affect women and that would have been great and brought the issues to the forefront.

In my eyes she ruined it by appropriating the experience of being transgender and dysphoric. She handed out ammunition to TRAs and made herself look a bit silly.

There are going to be class actions in future that could bankrupt the NHS.

There is a Judicial Review pending.

The lead claimant, Keira Bell wants a court to look at validity of Gillick Competency in relation to transgender medicine. Her legal team has been crowdfunded - she isn’t suing for damages regarding what happened to her, but if a judge rules GIDS (the NHS paediatric gender service) has acted unlawfully, it could well open a route to compensation claims for others.

It’s been delayed due to coronavirus, but it’s already caused some ripples in private practice (surgeons have halted ‘top surgery’ aka double mastectomy, on 16-18 year olds as private hospitals are no longer willing to provide operating theatres, pending the results of the JR).

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-51676020

My question is why? What is gender dysphoria trying to solve?

I can only speak for myself, but I know damn well what my problem was. Internalised misogyny and homophobia. Buried so deep I was in my 40s before I found it. I disliked girly things, for felt I must be a boy. And as i grew older, into my teens only watched/ read books / tv/ films by and about boys and men, so my internal image was default male.

Only coming to FWR and getting counselling for what I thought was an unrelated matter did my eyes open as to what had driven me all my life. I still get a jarring feeling when I see myself referred to as ‘she‘ in text.

You are equating life long medication and/or surgery and sterilisation for children who wish they were the opposite sex, and you can't tell me why they wish that, with someone who writes books???

Your utterly inconsistent premise seems to be J. K. Rowling can't know what it's like to feel gender dysphoria, but all these men can know exactly what it's like to be a woman. So she should shut up, but they shouldn't?

And so do tiny children?? So she should shut up about that as well. But everything they say should be taken at face value. What was it, four-year-olds?

Dear lord.

The Tavi themselves, a few days ago, admitted the strong possibility that the entire premise of transing children is down to homophobia.

Arrested development, never growing up, unknown consequences, irreversible cross sex drugs, life long medication, and mutilating surgery.

And you think it's the same as telling someone they can't write about fucking wizards.