Please tell me about JK Rowling

I mean what else is the kids' responsibility? What other damaging things are entirely their own fault?

Oh I see. So they're not silly and misguided. They are responsible for their own actions? Despite being told in school to pick a gender based on Victorian stereotypes.

Stonewall, mermaids, gendered intelligence, allsorts, that marvellously illegal trans tools lit that the CPS had to withdraw? All these teaching children that they may well be in the wrong body - but it's the kids' fault.

That woman's seven-year-old who came home crying his eyes out because he thought he was a girl as he liked playing in the Wendy house? All his own fault. And he must bear the responsibility.

Got it.

we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do

Obviously. As evidenced by the total absence of young women de-transitioning and the huge number of middle aged FtM transitioners.

Oh, wait....

They have to accept some responsibility for what has happened to them.

When people are children its the adults that take responsibility for them. Safeguarding rule no 1.

No Datun I'm not dismissing people like Keira Bell at all. I think it's terrible that she regrets her transition and I feel very sorry for her.

A similar example is Shamina Begum. She joined Isis when she was 15. She was groomed online. She was young and foolish and bitterly regrets it. I feel sorry for her too.

Both examples are really sad but show that actions have consequences. Both young women were extremely persistent in achieving their goals of transitioning / joining Isis. They have to accept some responsibility for what has happened to them.

JK Rowling cannot possibly imagine what it may be like for an unhappy or uncertain teenager to feel she might want to change herself but loads of men can know exactly how it feels to be a woman?

I know I’m new to this but we cannot have any idea how it feels to be trans but trans people can know exactly how it is to be the wrong sex.

I’ve had a long time being a woman and I don’t know how it feels to be a woman. I know I am one because of my biology.

And Sapphos please never discount peer pressure and accepted norms. Loads of us do things we are unsure about because of the influence and support of people or groups around us. Sometimes we do them and with the benefit of hindsight realise it wasn’t right for us. If you have taken medication which may well affect your whole life hindsight won’t help.

Honestly sapphos. Your position is so incoherent.

Are you making a distinction between social transition and medical transition? Are you making a distinction between top surgery and bottom surgery? Surgery and hormones?

If a child changes their name, goes on the register of the opposite sex, asked to use the opposite sex toilets, and says they hate their body, and are transgender, are you saying they can't say they are trans until 20 years have elapsed?

You appear to be saying that there is no such thing as a trans child yourself!

Okay, let's be honest we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do. But okay then.

Then how do you explain all the FtMtF detransitioners and desisters then?

Your info is years out of date.

Okay, let's be honest we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do. But okay then.

So you are just dismissing people like keira bell and all the other girls who have detransitioned. Plus the 76 children in Brighton, and the 10 girls at St Paul's? And the eight out of the nine girls being discussed on this very board, who have detransitioned during lockdown.

Or are you saying that transitioning is only really transitioning if you have hormones and surgery? Is that it?

OP hasn’t been back. It couldn’t be....gasp!....someone with ulterior motives looking for handy quotes from that hotbed of transphobia, Mumsnet, could it?

How VERY dare you!

The OP is obviously very busy reading up on everything that happened, carefully researching all pertinent issues in order to craft her opinion, and discussing with her son why he thinks JKR’s comments are so horrendous.

It hadn’t occurred to her to do this before starting the thread, but she’s on it like a bonnet now

Okay, let's be honest we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do. But okay then

What does transition mean? Thanks

I’ve wondered whether, if I’d been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition.

Okay, let's be honest we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do. But okay then.

The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge.

But you wouldn't have escaped womanhood, because sex is real and immutable. As you yourself pointed out.

I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager.

Sorry to hear it. That must have been really tough for you but I don't see why it's relevant.

If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred

That would have been an unusual and drastic response to your problems but fair enough if you felt that way.

It would have been nice of you to clarify that you're not suggesting that other young women are 'turning themselves into boys' to impress strangers on the internet and please their fathers, because that would be a very weird thing to do and is rather insulting to transgender people.

I had a near death experience once.
I thought I was going to die.
But I didn’t.
Am I appropriating death? Maybe death is no longer valid....

The irony of talking about appropriation...

Utterly ridiculous.

Accusing Rowling of appropriating is DARVO pure and simple.

She didn’t ‘appropriate the trans experience’.

However... she did appropriate the wizarding and witching experiences.

How come no-one’s up in arms about that... ? Serious question.

I remember when I thought I might have measles, but I didn't. Because of course no one has measles.

You must have missed the bit where she talks about her friend, who is happily transitioned and she views her entirely as a woman.

It's really pointless to have a conversation with people who haven't read the thing they're arguing about.

Sapphos - I initially read the transitioning as a young person part of JK’s essay in the same way as you and it did not sit well with me.

Unlike you I really appreciated JK putting here self in harm’s way, knowing the backlash she would get, to try and open up honest discussion about women’s rights and child safety.

There are very few people we agree with 100%, not agreeing with every word is ok.

However, re-reading the essay several times, JK does not say she would have transitioned but merely wonders whether she might have considered it an option. I do not know JK personally but that seems a reasonable and authentic thought.

She was speaking about her own feelings and experiences. Double standards if trans people find that offensive.

I was talking about it with a family friend and she like many of you agreed that had we been growing up now rather than 30 years ago she probably would have been a child sent on the path of transitioning.

Despite a very feminine name she was a tom boy through and through. In fact the first time I heard the term tomboy was in relation to her. As a little child I thought she was a boy, she rejected everything traditionally seen as feminine.

As an adult she is a lesbian woman with a family of her own. The teenage years seemed harder on her than they were for me but she is very happy and successful in every area of her life now, including her role as a mother. What if hormone therapy would have robbed her of that chance?

No...she suggested no such thing.

She didn't appropriate the trans experience saph. That was the point she was making - that she WASN'T trans

Exactly! And therefore suggesting that all the people claiming they are trans these days aren't really trans at all. Because she isn't.

[quote DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong]Yep. If trans people and their supporters don’t want kids to mistakenly believe that they are trans, they need to stop this shit going into schools:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/don-t-tell-the-parents

www.genderbread.org/[/quote]
Yep. And they end up thinking they might be trans, they are misguided.

Never mind it being taught to them from the age of three.

They are appropriating the experience of all the other people who have been taught it.

Or possibly all the middle-aged men who have AGP.

Perhaps young women and children are appropriating the experience of those men?

It's just nonsense jibber jabber.

Its just the unmitigated arrogance

Nauseating