Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

But boys and men have been called girls for failing to be masculine enough for a long time now. Same old, same old.

Absolutely. When my gay male friends sneeringly call effeminate gay men "girls" they are telling me everything they believe about "transgender".

HeistSociety lets hope your post doesn’t get deleted. I got deleted for posting about the ‘grey rock’ method.

I’m happy to stick to male / female sex based loos thanks. But will campaign for 3rd spaces for transgendered people if that’s what they want.

Some do - there's a petition on the Petitions board if anyone's not seen it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard

Women are not "men-without-penises", and men without penises are not women.

Even if we ignore the fact that most transwomen don't remove their penis - terms like 'post-op' and 'surgery' often do not relate to genital surgery. After all, breast implants are surgery.

I think it's fucking awful for society to say that if a man gets his cock chopped off that it makes him a woman. But boys and men have been called girls for failing to be masculine enough for a long time now. Same old, same old.

We know that there are massive differences between the strands of "transgender". Five minutes of reading the threads here will show you how much. We are the parents of children affected by this. We are pushing back on the generalisation.

The only way we can do this is going back to ground zero. We are here because the "identity" surge, deliberately orchestrated, has pushed us here.

You simply cannot make the whole world believe the generalisation, the world is becoming more secular by the day and that does not equip you with fertile ground for growth of transcendental beliefs.

I wonder how many here could live with post-operation trans sharing the space?

I'm sure a lot of us could .... except for knowing that there are some women who can't . So, sharing clearly isn't the correct solution for women, as it would exclude some of us.

Also, OP, you've got a nerve coming here to posit yourself as the victim of women through lies, appeals to emotion, and passive aggressive spin.

You wanna 'be' a woman? Deal with that shitty male socialisation that allows you to come gloating into feminist space to crow about the censorship of women's voices while simultaneously twisting yourself into the persecuted.

An absolute nerve.

But if they have gone to the trouble of having it removed, is it really so threatening?

Are you suggesting we have a pants monitor in loos? Or some kind of ID that anyone can ask to see?

I’m not sure how else you’d know someone had a ‘wang’ or not, and trying to find out is both creepy, and dehumanising.

I’m happy to stick to male / female sex based loos thanks. But will campaign for 3rd spaces for transgendered people if that’s what they want.

Me me me me.

The kiss at the end of each post, OP, is entirely unnecessary, and quite unsettling, btw.

Generalising individuals is what got us here in the first place

The whole push of gender identity politicisation right the way from the Yogyakarta Principles to the Maria Miller 2016 private members bill to change gender reassignment to gender identity is a "generalisation of individuals."

It's a huge land grab being made by males to generalise the wants of males as unchallengable facts in complete disregard for any need or wants of females. The political strategy we can all see very clearly has generalised the terms of reference. If you take issues with generalisation then you are with us, not against us. We object to this totalitarian generalisation and if it means you lose your individuality, take it up with the owners of "gender identity". They made this into a generalised problem, not us.

With the toilets issue, yes you could just divide them along the lines of biological sex rather than gender, but...

I wonder how many here could live with post-operation trans sharing the space? (So not self ID, and not if you have a wang.)

I doubt the odd trans man will bother men that much; although I accept that the situation is (understandably) more threatening for women. But if they have gone to the trouble of having it removed, is it really so threatening?

WET dreams ffs

I was called an incestuous child molester several times in several different ways by some GC Twitter troll after I'd mentioned I had a daughter.
Why would what happens on twitter be relevant to MN (or even reddit gender critical)?
Was it a man or a woman who said that?

Noone is generalizing individuals. Adult human females share experiences adult human males don't (and vice versa). That is just a fact, not a generalization.

I wish you could be proud of the person you are and the history you have, rather than rewriting the history I have to suit you

By which I mean multiple sexual assaults, horrible periods, birth injuries, breast lumps, and various other things males don't experience.

Similarly I bet you've experienced way dreams, unwanted erections, bullying and shame for being GNC that I haven't.

"No, because it attacks what I am, not what I believe."

As far as I can see, that's still an ideological question, and you are just question-begging the issue. You appear to be saying you are harmed (or upset anyway) just because some women disagree with you, and that's an attack on your identity... but that doesn't escape it being a controversial matter of belief.

Speaking to friends today I see this thread has successfully peaked quite a few. Thank you OP.

@MadBadDaddy, am addressing you directly as I'd still really like an answer to my question from yesterday.

You said:

'You're right, no-ones ever asked me suck anything online. I have mixed feelings on that.'

I asked if that was a joke. And if so, whether you could see how utterly inappropriate it was. Can you explain what you meant?

A few of us have asked you now, eg -

'Yes, I would like an answer too.

Trivialising and fetishising the sexual abuse women face in real life is abhorrent.'

Any chance of a reply before you go?

Whatever else it might or might not be "TWAW" is society's cost-effective solution. You might win an argument, but you'll never beat the bean-counters.

No. What would be a reasonable compromise where there is no room for an additional gender neutral space is to make the the male room gender neutral/mixed sex and leave the female space sex segregated.

This is rarely what happens though. It's almost always the women that lose the space and the men's remains untouched. This is despite overwhelming evidence showing why women are need of more private cubicle space not less.

Sometimes there isn't any common ground. I know that's upsetting for women who're relatively new to this debate to think about , but most of those of us being a lot less conciliatory started from a "let's talk this out" position, and there's a reason why we don't try any more.

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