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Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

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MadBadDaddy · 29/06/2020 23:38

Hi! TRA here! Thought I'd take a quick breather from all the crowing, high-fiving, etc. to throw a lifeline to any actual open-minded critical thinkers wondering why Reddit banned r/gendercritical. Basically, you have 2 options when it comes to what to believe:

  1. It's a true conspiracy: silicon valley, hollywood & the media are in the thrall of the well-funded TransAgenda, the need for woke points, child-groomers, women-haters, MRAs, etc. etc.
  1. r/GenderCritical was hateful - if you want evidence then go to r/GenderCynical which existed to harvest said hatefulness. Read their strictly enforced rules about hate speech, misogyny, anti-feminism, pile-ons, doxxing, etc. (NB: abbreviating "trans exclusionary radical feminist" is not considered hate speech on this subreddit) and then sort their posts by "top" and "all time" and judge for yourself.

The trans men, trans women and non-binary people of Reddit do not hate women and do not tolerate abuse. Have a better day. x

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MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 23:41

averysuitablegirl
Thanks - I think. I may be a smart-arse but I'm not clever enough to be duplicitous. I'm more chaotic than strategic. I stand by what I've said, and do my best to be honest.. If that marks me out as selfish or self-absorbed or whatever then I'm fine with that. If you think I'm full of it then that's also ok. I don't hate anyone and wish nothing but the best for all of you.

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HeistSociety · 05/07/2020 23:41

@ErrolTheDragon

Maybe it is now "in the spirit" ?

Maybe MNHQ felt inclined to give some rope and see what developed - sometimes it's knots, sometimes is the metaphorical finish to that idiom.

MN felt inclined to censor women's posts, while leaving up the posts by this manipulative, gloating male. Must be nice to have male privilege.

So far as I am aware, my deleted post did not break any of the known rules. Did not call anyone a man, did not use the term T**, and most certainly did not use a slur.

Perhaps it wasn't 'in the spirit' whereas the OP's gloating, inappropriate 'joke' and general air of hard-done by is?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/07/2020 23:38

If I had a pound for every time someone male said something offensive and then as they realised they were not going to be given a free pass added the words "only joking!", I'd be able to afford all the repairs to my house and have a cleaner coming in every day.

Agrona · 05/07/2020 23:33

It is disappointing to be drawn into giving attention to someone who will use any ruse, nastiness etc for that purpose and then try to dismiss the ruse, unpleasantness as humour or something else. I apologise for giving any attention to the OP.

It should be noted that there are some people who in this world prefer any sort of attention. Sadly these people are not taught that they are not the centre of the world. Kindness is not given on demand.

HeistSociety · 05/07/2020 23:32

Sniffers and wreckers.

Hmm.

Again, I just feel sorry for someone who has to insult women to feel ok about themselves.

averysuitablegirl · 05/07/2020 23:24

I've taken everything that you've written at face value, as I'm sure that others have.

It's very revealing.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 05/07/2020 23:06

thebewilderness has an awesome lemon curd recipe

Just saying

MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 23:05

ErrolTheDragon Oh I know you have a sense of humour. I've seen how you handle the late-night chaps who turn up to give you ladies a jolly good talking to, before the mods wake up and nuke the thread. I almost felt sorry for some of the spluttering fools as they slowly drowned in a sea of honey recipes. Grin

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2020 23:02

One day I'll learn that my humour is possibly not my best feature

The trick with humour is making sure it's something your audience finds funny, rather than just yourself, you know.
It's a mistake blokes often make when they accuse women of not having a sense of humour about their 'banter' - well, at least I think you managed to avoid doing that!Grin

MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 22:54

ErrolTheDragon Nothing else I've said has been taken at face value, but "Hi! TRA here!" was?

Please remember I've been coming here for a while.Anyway I've had some really interesting and thought-provoking discussions in between all the sniffers and wreckers so it's all good. At some point people will stop turning up and this topic will sink down the list and FWR will carry on without me making the place look untidy. I won't be bumping it.

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2020 22:47

One day I'll learn that my humour is possibly not my best feature

The trick with humour is making sure it's something your audience finds funny, rather than just yourself, you know.
It's a mistake blokes often make when they accuse women of not having a sense of humour about their 'banter' - well, at least I think you managed to avoid doing that!Grin

MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 22:36

LemonadeAndDaisyChains
Thanks and thanks for chipping in like you have. I'm sure you get a lot of static for it but at least you won't get negated on principle.

One day I'll learn that my humour is possibly not my best feature. Maybe tomorrow.

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averysuitablegirl · 05/07/2020 22:33

No it doesn't follow at all. I don't see much self-deprecating about taking a break from all the high fives about women having (yet another) online forum shut down and telling a female-dominated website that they have a choice of two ways to think either, but it's amazing how people can read the same thing in different ways.

Maybe MRA would have been more accurate? That's certainly the impression that your posts have conveyed.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2020 22:26

It wouldn't have made much difference to your perception of me even if I hadn't. I'm trans, I have an opinion, therefore I am TRA

No, that doesn't follow - we've had trans people post on this board who have opinions who clearly aren't TRAs. Maybe you're not really, but if so it was pretty daft and provocative to introduce yourself as such. Don't blame people if they took that at face value and read your posts accordingly.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 05/07/2020 22:20

I'm trans, I have an opinion, therefore I am TRA

I get TRA too as someone with an opinion on trans issues that usually goes against the majority on these threads - although I'm not trans, and never spoke about trans issues anywhere apart from on MN, never any kind of activism, nada.
Just average boring person with an opinion.
So I can see why you felt the need to say it, kind of a pre-empting, self deprecating humour way.
That's how I read it anyway

MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 22:14

@averysuitablegirl

Yet you started this thread with "Hi! TRA here!..."

Did the 'A' mean something other than 'activist' then?

It wouldn't have made much difference to your perception of me even if I hadn't. I'm trans, I have an opinion, therefore I am TRA. I may as well wear a pink balaclava. Looks like I come with an army of men's fists too
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insideandout3 · 05/07/2020 21:55

"You can accept it or deny it."

One of these comes with an army of men's fists behind it.

averysuitablegirl · 05/07/2020 21:30

Yet you started this thread with "Hi! TRA here!..."

Did the 'A' mean something other than 'activist' then?

MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 21:24

averysuitablegirl I have to put some brackets around what I'll offer my opinion on. I'm not dismissing your valid concerns, I'm copping out. And I don't have answers or proposed solutions to the big questions. I'm not an activist.

You know that you're trans. Okay, no problem. Women know that your a man who understands himself to be trans. Why can't that so be okay, no problem? The more I say, the more open to misinterpretation it is. I've said plenty on this thread that adresses this point and it's all searchable

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averysuitablegirl · 05/07/2020 20:47

That's the problem with male entitlement, isn't it, and why so much of the TR activism is focused on trying to force women to budge up, change their behaviour, deny reality etc.

You know that you're trans. Okay, no problem. Women know that your a man who understands himself to be trans. Why can't that so be okay, no problem?

It's when men try to force other people - especially women - to deny their own realty, and then get really angry when women say 'no' that true male entitlement comes to the fore.

It's not the same as saying that you're gay or that you're left-handed. You being gay or left-handed doesn't impact on anyone else's rights.

You know full well that the intent of TRA is to undermine and diminish women's rights, even to the language we have to define ourselves.

MadBadDaddy · 05/07/2020 20:38

@MrGHardy

" No, because it attacks what I am, not what I believe"

I think this is the crux, the entire trans movements thinks that belief = being.

You may see yourself as a woman, but others are under no obligation to share your perception.

If you feel so attacked because others don't perceive you the way you perceive yourself, I suggest you get therapy.

And that is meant as friendly as possible, I've been there myself, around 1.5 years long.

But you do not go around pretending others are denying what you 'are'. That is absolutely a lie. And a really shameful, manipulative one to get them to submit to your view of yourself.

You're right, it is the crux. My thoughts on the matter are buried on these pages somewhere. TL/DR-You can accept it or deny it. Neither I nor anyone else can 'prove' that I'm trans, or not, but I know that I am. There's nothing especially logical or rational or scientific about it, and even if there was, it wouldn't change much. I could make the same statement about being gay, or being left-handed. I'm not here speaking on behalf of the 'trans-movement', or anyone else. I'm here to explain why I think r/GC got the chop. If this thread has become All About Me then I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention but I''m responding questions, not asking them . I said a little upthread that from this point I'll only respond if I'm directly addressed.
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averysuitablegirl · 05/07/2020 20:31

Yes, or a man realises that they've contributed to the abuse of women, even if only by remaining silent, and no longer turns a blind eye.

TehBewilderness · 05/07/2020 20:12

The term 'peak trans' means the point at which individuals are reduced to stereotypes and hate becomes inevitable.

You are mistaken. The term "peak trans" describes the point at which a woman realizes they have been the victim of their social conditioning to be nice to abusive males.

averysuitablegirl · 05/07/2020 20:10

That's very true TehBewilderness.

But MBD has done a very good job of demonstrating to all the Reddit and other lurkers why women need their own spaces.

Zinco · 05/07/2020 20:09

"There is a comparison you could make between removing the existing rights of gay people using Clause 28, and trying to remove women's rights now."

I don't think section 28 "removed rights" in any clear way. It didn't stop gay sex. It didn't prevent gay people from working or whatever. It didn't stop gay activism, generally speaking.

It's primary purpose was only to stop a very specific kind of gay activism-- where a local authority or school was involved in gay activism towards children. I.e. it was against left-wing politics being pushed on children before they were in a position to make up their own minds on the issues.

I would absolutely support a similar law over the trans debate in schools. Now I have no problem at all with the issues being mentioned or discussed in schools, assuming it's age appropriate stuff. But I don't think that schools should be pushing one side of the debate, becoming activists for one viewpoint. Rather, let kids make up their own minds when they are older. It's not the job of schools to be promoting controversial politics to children. I don't know if schools today are actually guilty of promoting trans ideology, but nothing wrong with stopping them.

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