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Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

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MadBadDaddy · 29/06/2020 23:38

Hi! TRA here! Thought I'd take a quick breather from all the crowing, high-fiving, etc. to throw a lifeline to any actual open-minded critical thinkers wondering why Reddit banned r/gendercritical. Basically, you have 2 options when it comes to what to believe:

  1. It's a true conspiracy: silicon valley, hollywood & the media are in the thrall of the well-funded TransAgenda, the need for woke points, child-groomers, women-haters, MRAs, etc. etc.
  1. r/GenderCritical was hateful - if you want evidence then go to r/GenderCynical which existed to harvest said hatefulness. Read their strictly enforced rules about hate speech, misogyny, anti-feminism, pile-ons, doxxing, etc. (NB: abbreviating "trans exclusionary radical feminist" is not considered hate speech on this subreddit) and then sort their posts by "top" and "all time" and judge for yourself.

The trans men, trans women and non-binary people of Reddit do not hate women and do not tolerate abuse. Have a better day. x

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averysuitablegirl · 06/07/2020 08:46

I've just reported the post with the screen shot. I've read the first sentence now and it's clearly transphobic, and MN quite rightly don't permit transphobia, so I hope that it's taken down.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2020 08:42

No, they just closed the entire GC Reddit forum down instead so it was obviously completely unproblematic

Yes Lemonade, Reddit is a bastion of thoughtful moral guidance. Closing a subreddit down must means it's really bad. I mean they are happy to leave rape porn up, so wow, r/gendercritical must have been terrible indeed! Hmm

averysuitablegirl · 06/07/2020 07:51

Yes. I can't read whatever the screen shot was, but I don't understand the relevance to this discussion.

This is a feminist chat board and it is striking how often men interfere to try to tell us that we're doing feminism or being female wrong.

HeistSociety · 06/07/2020 01:46

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HeistSociety · 06/07/2020 01:42

What is shit hardcore stuff?

That females are entitled to a place to talk with other females about the pernicious effects of gender on women and girls? Which is all GC was..

Fearandsurprise · 06/07/2020 01:42

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Transphobia certainly exists, which is shit and should be stamped out We definitely don't wish harm on any transperson GC feminists want to keep the word Woman and keep single sex spaces where necessary.

OK, you seem to have a more moderate voice on GC, I can get on board with your post.
I've DEFINITELY seen some dismiss the fact that trans people are discriminated against for being trans though, or accusing them of suffering from "hurty feelz" (actual words) so they obviously have no problem with trans people suffering even if you don't.
It's a sliding scale of transphobia on here.
Views like yours, fine - it's the shit hardcore stuff that hides under a veneer of concern on here that only comes out every now and again that's more of a problem

Lemonade

Is there a sliding scale of trans-ness, too?
Or should everyone under the Stonewall umbrella have the same treatment?

So, should an AGP cross-dresser have the same access to women-only spaces (such as providing intimate care to vulnerable women in a care home) as a fully-transitioned transwoman?

And are we allowed to speak out if we think that’s not acceptable?

TehBewilderness · 06/07/2020 01:38

"A man (person) convinced against his will Is of the same opinion still."

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 01:36

Transphobia certainly exists, which is shit and should be stamped out
We definitely don't wish harm on any transperson
GC feminists want to keep the word Woman and keep single sex spaces where necessary.

OK, you seem to have a more moderate voice on GC, I can get on board with your post.
I've DEFINITELY seen some dismiss the fact that trans people are discriminated against for being trans though, or accusing them of suffering from "hurty feelz" (actual words) so they obviously have no problem with trans people suffering even if you don't.
It's a sliding scale of transphobia on here.
Views like yours, fine - it's the shit hardcore stuff that hides under a veneer of concern on here that only comes out every now and again that's more of a problem

HeistSociety · 06/07/2020 01:35

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

The point is that the post OP has just provided as evidence of GC Reddit hate did not come from GC Reddit, and had it been posted there, the mods would have removed it

No, they just closed the entire GC Reddit forum down instead so it was obviously completely unproblematic Confused

It was not abusive. End of. It was ideologically unpalatable to the OP and cronies.
HeistSociety · 06/07/2020 01:34

I just don't know how people feel ok about telling fibs.

I understand the OP dislikes GCReddit existing, because it didn't pander to their world view or feelings.

That doesn't mean GC was abusive; it wasn't. The OP knows that, yet posts non GC Reddit abuse to continue to lie about it.

That piece of abuse does not even remotely capture the tone or approach of GC posts. To continue to insist it does, when readers of GC know it doesn't, is just gaslighting.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 01:29

The point is that the post OP has just provided as evidence of GC Reddit hate did not come from GC Reddit, and had it been posted there, the mods would have removed it

No, they just closed the entire GC Reddit forum down instead so it was obviously completely unproblematic Confused

TehBewilderness · 06/07/2020 01:28

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Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit
HeistSociety · 06/07/2020 01:26

The point is not that some people (mostly men, like Damian Barr) are not hateful to trans people. They are.

The point is that the post OP has just provided as evidence of GC Reddit hate did not come from GC Reddit, and had it been posted there, the mods would have removed it.

There were not posts like that on GC.

Fearandsurprise · 06/07/2020 01:24

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

But you agree that someone can define what is womanly? Other than biology. Otherwise, how can you support TWAW?

I know for me there's more to me being a woman than just my biology.
So who am I to say that trans women don't feel the same?

How would your feelings-based “definition” work in law? Or in medicine?
7Days · 06/07/2020 01:24

That horrible
But certainly not representative of GC feminists.

Transphobia certainly exists, which is shit and should be stamped out.

GC feminists want to keep the word Woman and keep single sex spaces where necessary.
We definitely don't wish harm on any transperson.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 01:22

How do you know that wasn’t put there by a TRA to cause trouble? Answer: you can’t.

No, but alternatively -
How do you know that it wasn't put there by a "GC" person as that's what they actually believe?
Answer - you can't.
Whatever it was, it's hateful but apaprently hateful or transphobic isn't out there according to some.
Whoever wrote it, there's no doubt it'd cause harm being out there.

OldCrone · 06/07/2020 01:22

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

But you agree that someone can define what is womanly? Other than biology. Otherwise, how can you support TWAW?

I know for me there's more to me being a woman than just my biology.
So who am I to say that trans women don't feel the same?

Feelings might be important for an individual. But what relevance do they have for other people?

We don't organise society around individual people's feelings about any other aspect of their identity or personality, so why should 'gender' be any different?

Fearandsurprise · 06/07/2020 01:21

dunno where I got that from then lol

Oh, I don’t know.... trying to shore up the OP’s credibility, perhaps?

I went back and re-read all of the OP’s posts on this thread to check. You could easily have done the same. Appreciate the OP confirming your error.

HeistSociety · 06/07/2020 01:21

That was not posted on GC Reddit by a GC Redditor, and it would have been removed by mods had it been.

There were zero posts like that on GC Reddit.

WeeBisom · 06/07/2020 01:21

OP , where was this posted ? It can’t have been gender critical, right? Was this a private message?

Fearandsurprise · 06/07/2020 01:19

@MadBadDaddy

So I guess I lied when I said I was letting this thread drift.

This was just posted on Reddit (BTW I wasn't a mod there or anywhere else)

I'll leave this here with no comment, kind of like an appendix, I just thought you should see what I was talking about when I talked about hate on Reddit. Warning: It's very, very horrible.

I can’t read that on my device. But, as we often see on this board, TRA’s put anti-trans stuff in for screenshots. How do you know that wasn’t put there by a TRA to cause trouble? Answer: you can’t.
MrGHardy · 06/07/2020 01:18

100 quid says that was written by a TRA to make it look like all GC hate trans people or some internet troll, but not an actual GC woman.

Also, how fast did mods take it down, the screenshot was only taken 5 minutes after posting. You cannot accuse it of hate if you don't give em a chance to moderate.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 01:13

This was just posted on Reddit (BTW I wasn't a mod there or anywhere else)

OK, fair dos and thanks for clarifying (dunno where I got that from then lol)
You're providing "receipts." Like asked.
Although I'm no doubt "women aren't meant to be nice" is coming up next.
Funny how that only works one way though - if you aren't talking nice enough with a dissenting opinion then you're a man. Hmm

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 06/07/2020 01:09

But you agree that someone can define what is womanly? Other than biology. Otherwise, how can you support TWAW?

I know for me there's more to me being a woman than just my biology.
So who am I to say that trans women don't feel the same?

MadBadDaddy · 06/07/2020 01:09

So I guess I lied when I said I was letting this thread drift.

This was just posted on Reddit (BTW I wasn't a mod there or anywhere else)

I'll leave this here with no comment, kind of like an appendix, I just thought you should see what I was talking about when I talked about hate on Reddit. Warning: It's very, very horrible.

  • [Message from MNHQ: We've removed the screenshot. We don't know which subReddit group it was taken from - perhaps the OP would like to clarify? - but we don't want to give grim transphobic views like that any airtime on Mumsnet.]
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