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Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

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MadBadDaddy · 29/06/2020 23:38

Hi! TRA here! Thought I'd take a quick breather from all the crowing, high-fiving, etc. to throw a lifeline to any actual open-minded critical thinkers wondering why Reddit banned r/gendercritical. Basically, you have 2 options when it comes to what to believe:

  1. It's a true conspiracy: silicon valley, hollywood & the media are in the thrall of the well-funded TransAgenda, the need for woke points, child-groomers, women-haters, MRAs, etc. etc.
  1. r/GenderCritical was hateful - if you want evidence then go to r/GenderCynical which existed to harvest said hatefulness. Read their strictly enforced rules about hate speech, misogyny, anti-feminism, pile-ons, doxxing, etc. (NB: abbreviating "trans exclusionary radical feminist" is not considered hate speech on this subreddit) and then sort their posts by "top" and "all time" and judge for yourself.

The trans men, trans women and non-binary people of Reddit do not hate women and do not tolerate abuse. Have a better day. x

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insideandout3 · 03/07/2020 03:46

"You're right, no-ones ever asked me suck anything online. I have mixed feelings on that."

Being male socialized means only listening to the parts of what women say when it's convenient and adamantly ignoring women when it is less convenient.

Surely your next post will answer the repeated question of what you meant by the above sentence??

TehBewilderness · 03/07/2020 02:49

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

Have you had a change of heart on this stuff in general, Field, or is it just that this particular poster has crossed the line for you?

(I agree with you btw, those were both nonsensical statements. I feel most "like myself" in all black clothes, lots of silver jewelry, and heavy eye makeup, and I'm pretty sure nobody is "born goth".)

If anyone were ever born goth it would be you.
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/07/2020 01:32

Have you had a change of heart on this stuff in general, Field, or is it just that this particular poster has crossed the line for you?

(I agree with you btw, those were both nonsensical statements. I feel most "like myself" in all black clothes, lots of silver jewelry, and heavy eye makeup, and I'm pretty sure nobody is "born goth".)

FizzyGreenWater · 03/07/2020 01:24

It’s exploded since they were stupid enough to close that thread. I have never seen so much awareness. And I don’t even go on reddit. Amazing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/07/2020 01:22

Thank you, surprisingly, Fieldofgreycorn for some excellent questions for the OP who seems to want to stick around and debate stuff after all.

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TehBewilderness · 03/07/2020 01:02

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.
10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Fieldofgreycorn · 03/07/2020 01:02

when I started presenting as "female" on a day-to-day basis I felt like "myself"

Doesn’t that just mean you like wearing skirts and makeup though? Why do you class wearing that as ‘female’? Women often feel more like ‘myself’ in trousers but would’t say that is presenting as male.

Or do you mean you feel more like yourself when people think you actually are female?

The only thing I can compare it to is being a left-handed person

People are born right or left handed. Are you suggesting that people are born liking to wear certain clothes?

MadBadDaddy · 03/07/2020 00:59

contactusdeletus
I only commented on the other thread b/c this one was removed at the time.

I'll try to do better to keep my self-oblivious wank to myself (TBF I described it only as 'an idea that tickled me') and stick to what I know, which is what a shit-show hateful train-wreck r/GC was. I can't understand the efforts to gaslight it as some kind of proud martyr to women's rights because it wasn't as bad as other subs

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/07/2020 00:41

It might be the least self aware thing I've ever seen

Generally with that kind of statement, I'd retain a healthy scepticism about its veracity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/07/2020 00:39

If only women had spent more time browsing, say, r/strugglefucking to learn how to be less hateful.

I know, what are we like? So very many male-centred reddit subs for porn and PUA and stalking women, they could really share their wisdom and kindness.

contactusdeletus · 03/07/2020 00:25

Ah no, I see the problem. Two threads about the same thing, both featuring the same OP. Not sure why.

Though it looks as if there's added wank on this one. "Allergic to male socialization", that's a new one. It might be the least self aware thing I've ever seen Hmm

contactusdeletus · 03/07/2020 00:21

Has anyone else experienced disappearing posts on this thread? I posted hours ago, quite long replies that definitely appeared then (I checked). Going back now they've disappeared off the face of the earth. I haven't received any warnings from HQ and if a post is deleted by mods there's usually a tagline to say so.

Can anyone shed any light?

MadBadDaddy · 02/07/2020 23:46

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

Not sure why people are falling for it.

Female socialization is a hell of a drug, and it's been teaching us to put others, especially if they're male, ahead of ourselves since we were born. It's just that some of us are further along the path of becoming conscious of that and choosing not to do it than others.

I am rather surprised that it's happening in this case though, given the obviousness of the individual involved.

So does that mean you are going to disagree with me on merit, or principle?
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MadBadDaddy · 02/07/2020 23:43

[quote CoffeeTeaChocolate]@MadBadDaddy

I would be very interested in what you mean by “feeling like a woman” from a very early age?

I was raised by a single dad and always dressed in trousers and tops (no school uniform). I spent my breaks reading or playing chess with boys. I worked in a male dominated job. I love comfortable shoes, I almost never wear make-up and my idea of styling my hair is to brush it.

For me, I physically felt “like a woman” after my body was ravaged by three pregnancies.

Where I mentally connect the most with other women, my “feeling of womanhood” is in putting my children’s needs over my own and in being responsible for elderly relatives. I want to protect single sex spaces as I want to protect girls like my daughters from predators, protect the dignity of elderly women like my grandmothers and generally protect vulnerable women.

My understanding of trans women’s need of access to female spaces is that you so badly need the validation of your own womanhood that you ignore the risk to vulnerable women (from predators piggybacking on self ID). Basically you are putting your need of validation above the needs of others. Otherwise, why not a third space (which I would wholeheartedly support)?

I base “woman” on biology. However, you base it on feeling and say that we are both women. In what way do you think we have anything in common?[/quote]
I don't know what it means to 'feel like a woman' but I do know that when I started presenting as "female" on a day-to-day basis I felt like "myself" in a way that I just didn't when I was 'in the closet'. I can't explain it, rationalise it or even justify it, and gave up trying to do any of these things a long time ago. It just works. (Society thrusting trans-ness into the spotlight like it has in recent years I actually found quite distressing, throwing doors open that I was content to leave closed.)

The only thing I can compare it to is being a left-handed person being forced to use their right hand for years and then switching back to their left which I think is quite apt considering the historical/social perceptions of 'sinister' left-handedness.

As for your other questions, I'm sorry but I'm going to cop out. I began a very specific thread here because I feel I can speak confidently about why r/GC being shut down was A Good Thing.
Anything else I might have an opinion on is of limited value to an FWR debate due to me being a sample size of 1. I'm grateful to others that have pointed this out.
Even if I wasn't (as has also been pointed out) so shamefully ignorant on the political landscape surrounding both my own and women's interests it still wouldn't be right for me to come barging in here with my arguments. (unless I wanted to pick up some good recipes). x

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 02/07/2020 22:51

Not sure why people are falling for it.

Female socialization is a hell of a drug, and it's been teaching us to put others, especially if they're male, ahead of ourselves since we were born. It's just that some of us are further along the path of becoming conscious of that and choosing not to do it than others.

I am rather surprised that it's happening in this case though, given the obviousness of the individual involved.

7Days · 02/07/2020 21:44

Very interesting point there coffeeteachocolate.
About putting the needs of kids and the elderly above our own. That's it exactly isnt it? Feminism means dropping mens needs to parity with our own and they hate it!

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 02/07/2020 21:15

Totally agree with you CoffeeTeaChocolate.

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 02/07/2020 20:39

@MadBadDaddy

I would be very interested in what you mean by “feeling like a woman” from a very early age?

I was raised by a single dad and always dressed in trousers and tops (no school uniform). I spent my breaks reading or playing chess with boys. I worked in a male dominated job. I love comfortable shoes, I almost never wear make-up and my idea of styling my hair is to brush it.

For me, I physically felt “like a woman” after my body was ravaged by three pregnancies.

Where I mentally connect the most with other women, my “feeling of womanhood” is in putting my children’s needs over my own and in being responsible for elderly relatives. I want to protect single sex spaces as I want to protect girls like my daughters from predators, protect the dignity of elderly women like my grandmothers and generally protect vulnerable women.

My understanding of trans women’s need of access to female spaces is that you so badly need the validation of your own womanhood that you ignore the risk to vulnerable women (from predators piggybacking on self ID). Basically you are putting your need of validation above the needs of others. Otherwise, why not a third space (which I would wholeheartedly support)?

I base “woman” on biology. However, you base it on feeling and say that we are both women. In what way do you think we have anything in common?

Zinco · 02/07/2020 20:25

*Sorry this is absolute nonsense. Trans politics have been highly organised and have lobbied governments and organisations with extreme precision.

Obviously this isn't all trans people but it doesn't need to be.*

Yep, seems that way. And the cause has been taken up by the left-wing as well as gay rights advocates, which of course pushes it even further. Even if it's only, say, 0.1% of trans people that get involved politically, the cause has still become influential. We all still have to parrot things that many are convinced to be nonsense, or be guilty of wrongthink. You had a Labour Party leadership candidate threatening to expel people for the "wrong" opinion here...

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 02/07/2020 20:24

I really think we have to stop seeing all trans people as some sort of secret cabal who hold meetings to discuss tactics

But I don’t think that, I don’t think many people on FWR think that either

You might be on your own with the whole ‘we’ thing there

MessyBess · 02/07/2020 20:18

It wasn’t hateful. If only hateful subs were banned then why is r/struggle fucking still there. FYI they were known as r/menrapingwomen before the change of name..

Barracker · 02/07/2020 20:16

If only women had spent more time browsing, say, r/strugglefucking to learn how to be less hateful.
I believe it's still up.

In the end, the world gets to see that 65000 women talking civilly about the importance of biological sex got censored, whilst subs on rape, bestiality, paedophilia and white supremacy remained.

And I don't think the reaction of the majority was "jolly good, crack on chaps". It was oh crikey, possibly this isn't the right side of history after all.

The more you shut down women, the more people join us. You can't put this genie back in the bottle now.

Oh and by the way.
Sex is real, and it matters.

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