Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

Transgender people exist, independent of any ideology
What is it about people being gender critical that makes you think it means transgender people don't exist?

Clearly they do exist, I come across many at work, there are trans actresses and TV presenters, trans journalists etc.

What being gender critical means is that you think women = adult human female, not that you think trans people don't or shouldn't exist.

I asked upthread but you didnt reply. Why have you made the step that feeling comfortable in a stereotypically female presentation means you are a woman? I can't get my head round that step.

As well as Spinster, Lipstick Alley’s feminism board is worth a look. US site for black women, so a different perspective. Lurking on the Meghan Markle threads was my guilty lockdown pleasure - not least the take on Price Harry talking about institutional racism.

Most is bright women talking articulately about the female experience, reassuringly similar to discussions here. But differences show up. TRAs often seem to have a very specific, European idea of female, which can imply that black women are less feminine/more masculine with all sorts of implications. Ditto posters have little patience with efforts to link a commonality of experience between being black and being trans. In a sense trans for black women can be a double whammy when white men assert their victim hood over black women.

The US is different, but it is really encouraging to hear female voices heard. Shutting them down seems to imply men are getting worried.

Actually, MN is a place where women's speech is censored to some extent. I'm sure that does make it more comfortable for males.

GC did not censor women, and so it wasn't so comfortable for males.

However, OP, you've made your assertion. Righto. Now what? What do you bring to feminism? Myself, I'm interested in maternal feminism. I don't take myself off to trans forums to discuss it though.

Sex exists, independent of any ideology.

I can't see anyone here saying that transgender people don't exist, unless I've missed it.

I felt attacked by r/GC, although I never complained directly, and I flatter myself I've got a pretty thick skin.

But there are so many things out there that can make one ‘feel attacked’. Sorry if I’m not expressing this very well. But there’s loads on Reddit, Twitter, everywhere, that’s hateful and abusive to women. If I don’t like it I don’t have to read it, and if I read it I have to choose how I deal with it.

I don’t think GC, objectively, was hateful. Maybe a thicker skin is the answer, OP. I don’t think shutting down speech one doesn’t like is the answer.

Being a woman involves having to be vigilant and careful, often reading about horrible rapes and murders committed against other women because they are women, knowing that if one talks too loudly or takes up too much space there are likely to be consequences ... so many things. It so underlines the fact that TW aren’t women that they don’t want the ordinary everyday unpleasantnesses that come with it.

I found GC Reddit pretty eye-opening. There were a lot of younger Americans on there who had experienced the actual consequences of trans ideology taken to its logical conclusion. It was a place for them to discuss their own experiences.

Agreed, the posters didn't have much truck with preferred pronouns or pussyfooting around feelings. They were blunt - but they were blunt with any male who came to the board. That doesn't make what they were saying transphobic.

Unfortunately, the experiences of the posters made uncomfortable reading for some people who want to close their eyes to the conflicts between women's rights and trans rights. Furthermore, loads of people were flocking to the board following the JKR outcry - it had something like 65,000 subscribers when it closed.

Every time I looked at the GC reddit I saw women sharing their experiences and issues, looking for advice and support. Some of them were questioning their experiences to see what they had done wrong. In many cases all they had done wrong was trying to be kind, saying no or having boundaries.

OP you may have seen the language as upsetting to you, but it was liberating not to watch people twist themselves in knots and walk on eggshells to state simple facts.

I also visited some of the Trans boards on Reddit which were full of hate for women because the posters could never be women. After only doing this once it seemed best not to return. Those boards upset me but they were not meant for me.

Why should a Gender Critical site cater for people who deny sex exists?

Yup.

This is us, these are our problems.

Shoukd be fair enough for any group to say.

What is this thread. It’s reddit. Full of incels, redpillers, fetishists and rape fantasy subs. Of course a place for actual biological women to chat was shut down. It was targeted as a hate sub but only by those who see stating biology as hate speech. I was in there a lot and it was moderated very well. It was the fact that it existed AT ALL that was the problem. End of.

Where

Re modding there were no transphobic slurs allowed, for example. No doxxing, no brigading. The only difference between here and there is that mansplaining males got short shrift, and the T*M acronym was used.

I think it's telling that males aren't going after sites were the above happen openly.

It may well have been properly modded heist and kittens
I only lurked now and then so couldnt die on that hill, I'm much more familiar with MN and i know we manage it..

I see this thread is still getting Swiss cheesed. I wonder how many of those comments were reported by the OP and how many by the usual monitors.

Reddit GC was fine. It just wasn't male centric, which some male people find very upsetting.

GC WAS properly modded.

Look OP, women reserve the right to say, This is Us, These are our Problems.

Sorry if you feel attacked - genuine.
But you feeling attacked and us shutting up out of kindness wont solve our problems.

As for r/gc, proper modding would have solved any transphobia on there. Look at this board for example, we can discuss womens rights properly because any bigotry is stamped on immediately. R/gc should have been given te chance to set their house in order so the worthwhile discussions could continue. Luckily enough the whole sub has been backed up to anyone who wants to see the ratio of transphobia to discussion can easily do so.

The facts remain.

Biology exists.
Sometimes it matters.
We need to be free to discuss it.

That sub was a place for women to speak freely, away from males.

Other than spreading untruths about women, I'm not sure what the OPs point with regard to feminism is? You can feminist so long as males of alternative gender expression approve of what you say? Seems straight out of Misogyny 101 to me.

Feeling attacked is subjective.

GC Reddit played by Reddit's rules. If doing that hurt your feelings, OP, you needed to take it up with Reddit and request a rule change.

That you would default to shutting down women's rule abiding voices is telling.

In fact, GC did NOT attack any person, trans or not, but held and expressed beliefs that hurt your feelings.

It hurts my feelings that males of whatever gender celebrate the censoring of female speech, but I'm not shutting the OP down.

I think it was male rage at not being able to control female speech.

Women talking about their interactions with abusive white males being framed as women targeting a minority group in a hateful and dehumanizing way is classic DARVO.

I think it was the dramatic increase in detransitioners and transsexuals who came to the GC reddit to share their experiences that prompted the banning.

Mods not kids - autocorrect fail.