Fucking twitter arseholes

wrongside trans men.

We've commissioned surveys through work before and the survey companies are always very clear that you can sway your results to give what you want depending on the lead in questions. (We just wanted accurate answers which rather threw them)

So start with facts about trans vulnerability then ask generic "should trans people be protected with human rights?" question will obviously go one way. Clarify that TW do not have to go through any surgery to be a woman and ask "should they have access to women's spaces including changing rooms" will clearly go the other.

The Freemasons is in contrast to Girl Guides.

In Freemasons, men who transition to women get to stay and women who transition to men don’t ever get to join the all men’s group.

In Girl Guides, boys who transition to be girls get to join and girls who transition to boys are told they have to leave the all girls group.

There’s something odd about the reasoning behind this. In fact both groups say that compassion is the reason for accepting the males transitioning to females and yet neither group has any for the females who transition to males. I can’t quite put my finger on it as to why.

When 1000 Freemasons were surveyed they said that transwomen could be members if they had joined when they were men, but transmen could fuck off*

• 1 don’t know if it was 1000, it could have been any number ** they worded it differently but that’s what they meant

Let's see the details of this survey. I have serious doubts it's scientifically valid. You'll have to bear with my skepticism. TRAs lie so shamelessly about everything else: the trans murder rate, the trans suicide rate, the sex offender rate, their actual beliefs and the beliefs of others. It would be novel if they told the truth about something.

Scuse dreadful typos

I vaguely remember this, iifc some vested interest group did little pop up surveys in a handful of cities, not exactly a rigorous methodolgy cpmbined with a no doubt nice soft question to get the 'right' answer.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/09/29/trans-women-equal-rights-thomas-reuters/

Found a similarly worded report from about 2 years ago.

Pink News. If you can bear to click on the link.

Send them to Helen’s stats mobile.twitter.com/helenstaniland/status/1055128955894808577

Many many women (from my experience) don’t get what the problem is until they suddenly get it. The overwhelming social/media narrative is that the “right“ social opinion is that transwomen are women and it takes first being aware their is a discussion going on, second actually understanding the argumnents, third a light build moment or particular issue that makes you see it as plain as day and finally you have to be brave enough to change your opinion And then to actually open your mouth and admit that you have changed from the “right” to the “wrong” opinion. I wouldn’t be at al surprised if most women are still in the be kind stage, supported in that view by the general sense they pick up from media around them. It would take a survey sitting down and explaining all the terminology, the background to the various movements, precisely what was being advocated for and what was being defended, then you might be able to judge women’s true feelings on this issue. But without this it is just noise.

The Hampstead ladies committee voted this way in favour of admitting trans last year.

Did they? Or was it the Corporation of London who decided this?

And I am also fearful of doxing, possibly losing jobs and being arrested

I don't feel I can publicly share my views. As well as general online abuse, which I don't think would bother me, I would be ostracised from my son's hobby which wouldn't be fair on him.

UK Primogenture Laws.

Can we put that on a T-Shirt?

Interesting point Stressing but I think that you are wrong. Many women are afraid to speak out. They fear the abuse, the harassment, the doxxing, the threats, the possibility of the police turning up to with trumped up charges of hate crime, being piled on, the fear losing their job, the safety of their families. The list goes on. Just look at what happed to JK Rowling.

Ruby

Sad face.

But. But. If TWAW, then Trans Men Are Men and then the UK Laws of Primogenture for ALL Classes are illegal. Yes?

#Headtilt

Oh. I was trying to make a quick point that whatever this mindset is on this thread - it seems to be the minority view among women.

Nah. There are various properly done surveys which disprove that.

they do have the same rights. The right to use sex segregated spaces based on their sex.

Indeed. Though perhaps the 'same rights' referred to are actually the right to be silenced every time we speak, and the right to be threatened every time we do or say something the MRAs dislike, and the right to be colonised and defined by men.

RubyViolet 👑

Can't find any reference to that 'global survey'.