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Will it ever get better?

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IAmFleshIAmBone · 29/06/2020 21:18

I really despair of this world. I feel like as women we are being manipulated and gaslighted constantly. We have to comply with everything the trans lobby demands of us or we are called TERFs, threatened, our careers are put at risk and for what? A men's rights movement essentially. I'm starting to feel like we can't win. Anyone can claim to be a woman and get access to our safe spaces. I'm terrified for the future.

I'm so sorry, I had to get this out. If anyone has any words of encouragement I'd appreciate them as I am feeling pretty lost and hopeless, and I can't talk to anyone about this in real life.

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nauticant · 29/06/2020 21:48

Your comment tells me this Imnobody4. Expect them to come after MN much much harder than we've seen before.

FloralBunting · 29/06/2020 21:47

Ok, take heart. A couple of years ago, we really shouting into the void. The GRA consultation was going to be quietly shuffled through, and women were being punched down, sometimes literally, everywhere from the Girl Guides to Twitter. Women were doxxed, threatened and the only place we could discuss it openly was here.

That's not the case today. It's a big talking point everywhere, on the front pages, in the news bulletins, on Newsnight, and not all fawning, toe the line testimonials, proper critical journalism. There are grassroots crowdfunders for every discriminatory issue regarding women and girls that we've been discussing for years.

Feminism itself is having a renaissance and shaking off the befuddlement of PopFem counterfeits, women are gathering in groups large and small and learning that their voices and experiences matter and can be used effectively to make life better for women everywhere.

Don't be downcast because the Big Beast of Misogyny is lashing out at us - he's only doing it because we've been successfully whacking off the chains he's been holding us down with and he thinks he can frighten us into submission.

He can't. We're strong, we're right, we matter, and we're not giving up.

Imnobody4 · 29/06/2020 21:36

That's what they want us to believe- resistance is futile. I take great comfort from mumsnet, I'm also alone. If we hold together we can turn this around and then focus on the next battles. The one thing I've learned is the importance of constant vigilance and solidarity.

Broomfondle · 29/06/2020 21:35

I read this today and found it heartening.
Heartening to see how far we'd come and that that in itself is why we're fighting this particular battle now - because we have something men actually want.
It's all kinds of shit that we aren't even allowed small concessions that protect women without men thinking it's unfair, I agree, but we no one gave us what we have, we made it happen and we can defend them and carry on pushing for a fairer world for women.
We did it once, it sucks that we have to do it again, but we can do it again.

uncommongroundmedia.com/man-where-is-your-part-sex-and-suffrage/

rabbitwoman · 29/06/2020 21:34

It will all come out, it will all come tumbling down, I am sure of it. The tide will change - I just hope we can stop it before any more damage is done to kids, vulnerable women and the genuine trans community - my biggest fear is that it is only when it is too late, the law has been changed and we do actually start to see the consequences will we then see that realisation and change....

In my crystal ball I see a very sudden shift happening with more detransitioners coming forward. I actually think that the hateful crowd are just people who like to be violent, unpleasant and abusive who have happened to find the outlet that let's them be as horrible as they like. All of a sudden they realise that they can 'detransition' and turn all that hatred on the people that supported them as well as the establishment 'abusers' - that's what we will see, another demographic of vulnerable and fragile people being exploited and appropriated.

Then it will all be over, leaving so much damage in its wake that the LGBTQ+ community will be set back even further.

Hateful.

Am I the only one with a crystal ball?

AnotherLass · 29/06/2020 21:34

I'm feeling very shit today too. I don't know how to be encouraging - just in the last week, we've had Glinner banned from Twitter, Allison's fundraiser frozen, and the gender critical subreddit shut down. We jump for joy about a tiny handful of minor celebs who are prepared to come out and say that maybe JK Rowling have the right to say that biological sex exists without drowning in rape and death threats, maybe. But lets face it, nearly everyone is silent. Or they actively support the lynch mob.

I suppose that every person and movement has bad weeks.

littlbrowndog · 29/06/2020 21:27

Yeah it will. Nobody I know in real life believes this shite. Not one person

Bring it up in your real life.

I am confident this shite will pass

We never had the vote. We have the vote. We never had the right to not be raped by our husbands we have that right

Keep going keep going keep,going. It’s a fight. We will win cos we are women.

midgebabe · 29/06/2020 21:26

It takes generations to make changes

Each step forward always gets a push back, especially in times of uncertainty and instability and fear

In my lifetime, we can now get a mortgage, rape in marriage is recognised , I occasionally get sex related pay rebalancing , men no longer wander the building just to stare at women in technical roles

risefromyourgrave · 29/06/2020 21:22

I am having a bad day today as well. Reddit just tipped me over the edge this evening after Stephen King and Keir Starmer this morning.
Sorry, no encouragement, but I know exactly how you feel. Flowers

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