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r/gendercritical banned from reddit.

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THRILLHO · 29/06/2020 18:25

Fuckers Angry

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JKRismyhero · 01/07/2020 11:00

www.rareddit.com/r/GenderCritical

Someone posted this on spinster this morning, at least there's some record.

MangoFeverDream · 01/07/2020 05:36

Honestly r/GC was more anti-male than ‘transphobic’ because they recognise the source of female oppression. Some of those women had been through a lot and their perspective had value. Very sad

Delphinium20 · 01/07/2020 04:58

@MadBadDaddy

contactusdeletus

Thanks for the reply, but please don't shoot the messenger. I don't know exactly why r/GC was banned but I'd bet you a case of Gin that it wasn't because of pronouns.

I don't think any trans people cared that it 'wasn't for us' or 'wanted in', but a lot of us did take exception to being routinely described as child-grooming attention-seeking misogynistic deluded perverts trying to take over the world (Trans Women) or poor helpless impressionable confused lesbians (Trans Men).

And, unlike MN, r/GC also didn't seem to criticise any other aspects of Gender except for trans-people and happily turned a blind eye to a lot of reactionary, right wing patriarchal attitudes if it meant they could complain about Teh Tranz some more. Sorry not sorry x

That is NOT what the posts were about and you know it. The posts were primarily women supporting women who had been lied to, manipulated, threatened, abused, fired, and much more. You are trying to gaslight all the viewers here who never had the chance to see for themselves what 65k women and growing saw as TRAs' erosion of their sex-based rights to their own spaces. I'd happily point out how you were wrong, but the entire sub has been taken down.
ALittleBitofVitriol · 01/07/2020 02:17

And, unlike MN, r/GC also didn't seem to criticise any other aspects of Gender except for trans-people and happily turned a blind eye to a lot of reactionary, right wing patriarchal attitudes if it meant they could complain about Teh Tranz some more. Sorry not sorry x

Lies. Easily provable as lies by reading the sub for yourself except whoops, it's all conveniently been disappeared.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 01/07/2020 01:27

but a lot of us did take exception to being routinely described as child-grooming attention-seeking misogynistic deluded perverts trying to take over the world (Trans Women) or poor helpless impressionable confused lesbians (Trans Men)

well said and fair enough, I've never been on Reddit but that's where the whole debate lies really - there's discussion, which is fair enough, and then there's what you just said which is more hate mongering/inciting and it's not as easy to differentiate for some

MadBadDaddy · 01/07/2020 00:49

contactusdeletus

Thanks for the reply, but please don't shoot the messenger. I don't know exactly why r/GC was banned but I'd bet you a case of Gin that it wasn't because of pronouns.

I don't think any trans people cared that it 'wasn't for us' or 'wanted in', but a lot of us did take exception to being routinely described as child-grooming attention-seeking misogynistic deluded perverts trying to take over the world (Trans Women) or poor helpless impressionable confused lesbians (Trans Men).

And, unlike MN, r/GC also didn't seem to criticise any other aspects of Gender except for trans-people and happily turned a blind eye to a lot of reactionary, right wing patriarchal attitudes if it meant they could complain about Teh Tranz some more. Sorry not sorry x

sleepyhead · 30/06/2020 22:43

contactusdeleteus

Exactly. Sometimes (actually quite a lot of the time) It's Not About You.

ChurchOfWokeApostate · 30/06/2020 21:36

It was never for you, and that should have been fine

This.
Why can’t TW accept that some things are not for them and that it’s okay for us to have things that are ^not for them*

TheChampagneGalop · 30/06/2020 21:18

If you use twitter please use the tag #RedditHatesWomen to bring attention to the issue. This shouldn't be allowed to go unnoticed.

contactusdeletus · 30/06/2020 20:26

@MadBadDaddy

MN is not Reddit and that should be celebrated.

The fact that I or other TWs can post here at all without being instantly evicted is the difference between MN and reddit/GC, regardless of whether or not I am pulled to bits or drowned in honey.

As biased and one sided as it is, MN/FWR supports actual debate, and employs professional mods. Reddit OTOH is a collection of self-policing echo chambers. If you disagree or oppose, you are toast.

If you want to understand r/GC's fate, look into the story of r/The-Donald which has been more widely reported on and for longer. Essentially both communities distilled themselves into a hive-mind of toxicity.

r/gendercritical was never a space for debate. It was always open about what it was - a safe harbour for biological women, who wouldn't have to police their language (ie, use "preferred pronouns" that obscured the realities of sex) and wouldn't have to debate the same old points ad nauseum.

It was never for you, and that should have been fine. There were other forums where you could debate gender issues. Other forums where trans women were welcome. The fact that r/gendercritical wasn't one of them doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed to exist. It was a safe space you didn't need.

The sheer ego it must take to think every place must accommodate you. The arrogance it takes to dismiss any place not designed for you as a "hateful echo chamber". The mind fucking boggles.

Bluebellbike · 30/06/2020 20:21

I'm not a Reddit user but heard about the following group today. Surely this one should be binned? It is a group in which young trans identifying people not supported by parents can be "adopted" for online support
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/&ved=2ahUKEwjxs7fFoKrqAhWpVRUIHR9UCVkQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw31jok8D_tAT6wK_1OniY7E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/&ved=2ahUKEwjxs7fFoKrqAhWpVRUIHR9UCVkQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw31jok8D_tAT6wK_1OniY7E

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 30/06/2020 20:14

@Generateusername

This is perhaps beside the point, but AFAIK Jeffree Star isn’t trans is he? Confused
No he isn't.
OvaHere · 30/06/2020 20:13

JS is a gay man afaik. Possibly he might chuck concepts like gender fluid into the equation but I think he's fairly upfront about just being gay.

I don't watch his videos though so might be wrong.

Delphinium20 · 30/06/2020 19:56

@Generateusername

This is perhaps beside the point, but AFAIK Jeffree Star isn’t trans is he? Confused
I think Dawson identifies as a man...but Star looks trans...honestly I don't know.
Generateusername · 30/06/2020 19:16

This is perhaps beside the point, but AFAIK Jeffree Star isn’t trans is he? Confused

Delphinium20 · 30/06/2020 18:53

Hi! I'm an American and new here...but I would have posted this in GenderCritical if reddit hadn't banned women from their own space. NYTimes just posted an article of two famous celebrities who really are just toxic white men (one is a trans woman). At least some people are wising up to the issues that toxic men are dangerous regardless how hip or trendy they appear. www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/style/shane-dawson-jeffree-star-youtube.html?referringSource=articleShare
"Shane Dawson and Jeffree Star: Losing Followers and Losing Ads"

velourvoyageur · 30/06/2020 18:42

TrueLesbians (i.e. the only sane/gender critical sub for lesbians, but definitely not one where all the focus was on GC chat) is gone too. Very sinister. Just don’t understand this almost feverish adoration of men and support for their anti-feminist backlash.

MaryMung0 · 30/06/2020 18:08

Another mother’s forum I frequent just locked all discussion on this because conversation had had the temerity to drift into a polite debate over trans issues Hmm

Oxyiz · 30/06/2020 14:31

I imagine it would give them great joy to read why some women are leaving sadly. I've just deleted the app and left it at that.

JKRismyhero · 30/06/2020 14:20

@FreddieMac

Yeah deleted the app. How did you tell Reddit that was why tho?
It asked me for a reason when I deactivated my account. If you just delete the app your account is still active.
FreddieMac · 30/06/2020 14:13

Yeah deleted the app. How did you tell Reddit that was why tho?

MadBadDaddy · 30/06/2020 14:09

Reading some of the comments, see folk wondering "are we next?" etc. I thought it was worth pointing out. I've been coming to MN for about 16 years and would hate to see it turn into the single-issue-cess-pit that was r/GC.

Kettlingur · 30/06/2020 14:01

Isn't it kind of you to come and explain to us what we need to do in order to understand.

MadBadDaddy · 30/06/2020 13:40

MN is not Reddit and that should be celebrated.

The fact that I or other TWs can post here at all without being instantly evicted is the difference between MN and reddit/GC, regardless of whether or not I am pulled to bits or drowned in honey.

As biased and one sided as it is, MN/FWR supports actual debate, and employs professional mods. Reddit OTOH is a collection of self-policing echo chambers. If you disagree or oppose, you are toast.

If you want to understand r/GC's fate, look into the story of r/The-Donald which has been more widely reported on and for longer. Essentially both communities distilled themselves into a hive-mind of toxicity.

dazzlinghaze · 30/06/2020 13:17

I've also deleted my account and told them why. Feeling quite down about this, it was a great resource.