Opt out of organ donation

An even more pressing one is the burgeoning number of young women transitioning who even as transmen are expected to 'be kind' and put themselves and their interests behind those of males. They might be manipulated into feeling that the opportunity to donate the womb, which at 18 they believe they will never have any use for, to a transwoman, is an additional reason to go through with this life-changing surgery.

This is a very very real and horrifying potential future.

Yes, that could be an issue. An even more pressing one is the burgeoning number of young women transitioning who even as transmen are expected to 'be kind' and put themselves and their interests behind those of males. They might be manipulated into feeling that the opportunity to donate the womb, which at 18 they believe they will never have any use for, to a transwoman, is an additional reason to go through with this life-changing surgery.

I care, mine was home to my DCs for 9 months each. I don't want it to be cut out and used in this ridiculous social experiment. All this focus on getting wombs to work for men when natal women with painful conditions are not taken seriously. I have had blood transfusions so I suspect if my blood is no good to anyone now then my organs arent either.

Sorry, Wolfgirrl I just disagree with the idea that what protections are afforded to women are based largely on the ability to bear children. Thank you for taking the time to explore the idea.

I think my way round this is to leave clear instructions with my next of kin that I'm happy for any body parts of mine to be donated with the exception of my reproductive organs. I don't think anybody would want mine, anyway, as I'm postmenopausal and had decades of endometriosis, but just in case.

My reasoning is that the human population is already growing too fast and the ethical problems thrown up by all sorts of fertility interventions are immense. If I were ever in charge, I would ban surrogacy outright in all circumstances and I would also put an outright ban on womb transplants.

This may seem hypocritical to those suffering the awful pain of infertility, as I have two children. However, I think I would feel the same even if I hadn't been able to have children. Many fertility interventions represent a huge physical and mental health issue for the woman seeking to become pregnant and for the child that might be born if the treatment is successful.

But that isnt how history has gone is it?

I don't disagree that this was the way that women were viewed historically (and still are in too many countries). I think that it generally leads to poorer outcomes for women, though there are exceptions where it offered elevation of status or protection; usually at the cost of freedoms in the latter case.

Personally, I feel the argument that women should be treated equally because we're all human beings is more robust but that's my opinion. I think I've felt resistance to that notion because the idea that you have value because of something you can do feels like an imposition to do it (as well as a failing if you don't). Sorry if I'm derailing.

At worst, women simply become battery hens, used for uterus and egg donation and become devalued in society as men would be able to carry babies and therefore assert themselves in healthcare, maternity rights etc.

It seems to me that, if we were able to manipulate the biochemistry of a male body to safely carry a child, it's quite likely that we'd also be able to generate gametes at will. It's well outside my primary scientific field but I personally believe we'll arrive at artificial wombs long before male pregnancies are possible.

I must confess that I'm probably biased by having never had children (and am past the point where I could) but I don't feel that a significant personal value to society was my ability to bear them.

That’s my worry

That an innocent baby will be exposed to various drugs to stop the carriers body from rejecting it.

We as women are told we can’t take this drug, or that drug whilst pregnant.

So why should a baby now be exposed to all these other drugs to satisfy their wants.

At the end of the day, the baby must come first

Would you be happy with a pedophile/murderer/rapist having bits of your body?

AFAIK, there's no way of specifying that whoever gets your kidneys (for example) must be a good person.

If I died and my womb could be used to carry a baby in a person that would otherwise not be able to carry a child, be them born Male or Female, I would be happy to oblige

If I remember rightly from our IVF journey any eggs needed my permission to be used and that had to be renewed every so often. Embryos needed both our permissions to be used and also needed to be renewed regularly and there was a special post-mortem clause too

Sorry, Wolfgirrl, I believe that is correct too, as it was under opt-in.

[quote Wolfgirrl]@Twizbe would you leave a set of knives to a murderer? Y'know, because you're dead and no longer need them?

If you are morally comfortable with a trans woman harvesting your reproductive system and using it to grow a baby without regard to the medical and moral consequences, fine.

If it is just a case of 'I'll be dead so i don't care about the consequences of my actions' then maybe you should think more carefully about the kind of world you want your children (or other people's if you do not have children) to grow up in.[/quote]
I feel you're going on a massive leap. The medical science does not yet exists to transplant my womb or eggs into a biological male and then get it to work.

During my lifetime I can state my wishes (take what you like to either give to science or to save someone else) once I'm dead though, I can't control what happens to my body nor am I going to be aware what happens. 50 years after I die the ants could take over and decide to use what's left of me to feed their ant babies - I can write in my will that I'd rather not be ant baby food but I can't really stop it.

SandysMam, while I hope they don't become available too quickly, mine are readily available to anyone who can use them and, if somehow not useable, offered up for research.

I did select some, and reproductive organs aren’t on there at all

Soubriquet, in the link Wolfgirrl provided, it mentioned that explicit permission is required for any use of reproductive tissue. In other words, if you haven't specifically agreed to the use of those tissues, they cannot be used.