The effect of lockdown on transitioning teen girls

All I can say is thank god for this board and all the knowledge contained on it.

I never thought I would find the knowledge I have gained about male fetishes all that applicable.

However, I have now seen a very disturbing conversation on a group chat between her school friends (all are either NB, trans, bi or lesbian) that my daughter shut down wisely once she saw the content. Over lockdown I think some of her friends have become even more very entrenched in the ideology than I suspected. And I also suspect a couple have joined chat groups on Discord that might be dangerous.

My daughter understands the dangers, and the harms. She pushes back with respect and I think she is ok.

I’m in the middle of doing exactly this with my daughter’s school who won’t tell me a thing because she is 12+.

I watched the Netflix film "A Social Dilemma", and they pinpointed the rise in mental health issues in teenagers (but particularly in girls) to the advent of social media like Twitter and Instagram.
Does that also fit with the 2014/2015 timeline of the increase of ROGD?

thanks v much findthetruth

Sorry I don’t know your daughter’s age but has you gone down the subject access request route? You formally request all records involving your daughter and son and all documents that mention them. It’s used frequently by parents having issues over SEND provision

I am very concerned about just who her friends are talking about. She did mention that some of her friends had formed internet ‘relationships’ over lock down

@Winesalot

Will your daughter watch something if you ask her to?

These 4 women talk about social media when they were 15 years old and what happened ... answering the question what do you remember is like your first exposure to like kind of the trans community on social media?

i need to speak to school nurse

Ask the school nurse:

--'how would they like to go through life without an orgasm?'

--'Do they warn children that they may never have an orgasm if they get hormones? '

I think Benji on YouTube talks about this. And this quote below is used a lot but I can't find a link to the source of it:

Blocking puberty impedes the development of sexual functioning; some children given GnRHa never develop the capacity for orgasm (Jontry 2018).

@colouringindoors

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4015575-Correction-of-a-Key-Study-No-evidence-of-gender-affirming-surgeries-or-hormones-Improving-mental-health

maybe start a thread? on research that shows affirmation does not help

Could s3imeone link to the research that shows affirmation does not help? My dd now back at school has got immersed in the gender identity world again . Shes ASD and really struggling with her developing body- binder looking likely as much as i try and persuade her otherwise. She had an apparently "really good chat" with school nurse - i need to speak to school nurse...

I truly truly hope there ends up being some sort of change in schools who insist on affirming children regardless of circumstances- am hoping that Keira’s case reaches a wide audience.

I am in the process of trying to find out why the school affirmed our daughter behind our backs and then insisted we had no say as parents.They are refusing to give us any information about our daughter unless she is fully involved (data protection) but some of their actions involved our son as the school told him they had officially transitioned our daughter and then he was left with the burden of telling us.

He requested the school send me all of his information and it turns out they didn’t document anything about that meeting, However, round about 9 months earlier, he had requested some stickers for an LGBT day the school was having. This was deemed significant enough to email the Head to tell them.

So- a pupil asking for some LGBT stickers to show support for an event is significant enough to document, but holding a meeting to tell an unaware pupil his sister is now a boy at school (knowing his parents are also unaware) is not deemed significant enough to document? Unbelievable.

If Keira wins her case about affirmation in the NHS, I wonder if schools, school counselling and PHSE guidance will be reviewed....

I so hope so, reading the testimonies of families affected and the dad in Canada being prosecuted for not wanting his child to start hormone treatment aged 14 and seeing the attitude of teachers who think that it is perfectly ok to set a child on the transition path (an excellent article called Detransitioners on the Feminist Current website says that social transition is pretty much a one way street) without even informing the parents just blows my mind!! You wouldn't even expect a teacher to facilitate a drastic haircut for your 14 year old without your knowledge or consent so how can they set children on that path in all conscience?

Schools (and counsellors/therapists) need to understand that affirmation doesn’t actually bring much happiness

If Keira wins her case about affirmation in the NHS, I wonder if schools, school counselling and PHSE guidance will be reviewed....

Does 'affirmation' in Schools mean affirming the 'T' and not being allowed to consider that people can also be straight, L, G or B?

Ooo...I've been thinking about Genderbread and how things have panned out for their pupils over lockdown.

Did anyone else see what looked like a plunmet in GIDS referrals? (Sorry can't find it). Had 20/21 figures so I found them a bit hard to understand on a brief look but this could fit with lockdown. Obviously it's also hard to separate out reduced GP availability & hence referals.

I saw something on Twitter - maybe p*k news that suggested that more children were ‘coming out’ over lockdown - I’m not sure if that means gay or trans though.
The person I know is continuing with transition and is now on hormones (approx 5 months after appt with gender Identity clinic - presumably not face to face as it was during lockdown)

Yet if you suggest that perhaps these teanagers should see a psychologist not go on puberty blockers your anti trans. (Which is why some psychs who worked for tavistock actually resigned.)

hi @Thegenderbreadperson - hope all is well with you.

I was wondering if you knew how any of the pupils you were talking about had got on over the holidays? Are they all still feeling the same about things?

@Thegenderbreadperson Do you think any of your detranstioning pupils, and/or their parents, would be keen or at least willing to talk to the Sunday Times journalist about what's happened in lockdown? Anonymously of course.

I should add that I don't know what the journalist codes are for minors which might complicate things

@Yorkshiremummyof1.

Thanks for the video. I have not watched it yet. I presume this is a man and therefore "he" not "she". There really is no such thing as a "trans woman." We can never actually change our XX or XY biology however much we may seek to do so. Whatever underlying issues of self negation need to be compassionately addressed. We take on a fight with our own true and beautiful biology - we lose.

My child is very young and seems unaffected by the school's blatent celebrations of biological confusion as yet. I will say though he has progressed well beyond the school's learning targets during lockdown. Even with our sporadic attempts at home learning. Home learning suggestions did not follow up on his increased levels of understanding. I know other parents are experiencing the same significant improvements in their child's achievement from not being at the school. Less ideological sloganing and more skills in how to think rather than what to think is much needed.

I've found a new term (well, new to me) - "transtrenders". It's describing the mostly young people who appear to be jumping on a trans bandwagon and saying that they are trans now, without ever having shown any sign or experiencing actual gender dysphoria.

I think the fact that transtrenders are also included in the trans category is one of the problems - that it's somehow fashionable to be "different" and "special".

Disturbing.

I think where schools have a “cheerleader” it’s viewed as this lovely self realisation of your inner essence which must be immediately validated without question. The fact that it’s more likely to be a manifestation of all sorts of other issues seems to be lost on them. Plus it’s easier for the school to deal with that way and any underlying problems are then just shuffled off to the next stage of that young person’s life. At least in our case, I believe that is true.

gosh @rogdmum that sounds terrible! Someone previously mentioned that it was dropped on them at Parents Evening - that seems inhumane - do they not consider the enormity of the situation for parents? There is no other situation (that I'm aware) in which they would cut the parents out in such a manner.