TWAW

But then, my stance is also unacceptable here, as I believe TWAW

Nellie....can you explain, please, what a woman is in your mind?

And what cis woman?

You see I'm quite confused with how you imagine that males are women. What makes a male a woman?

Is a woman just a set of stereotypical behaviours, or what?

I've had a TW tell me in this feminist section that my infertility was less tragic than theirs because at least I had a womb. They're a father.

Oh god, WrongSide that's disgusting. I'm so sorry that happened to you. What truly feminine empathy

It’s a bit like offering someone a sweet from a bag. Expected behaviour is that the person being offered takes one or two and says thank you. It’s not expected to have the whole bag ripped out your hand while being screamed at to apologise for having sweets and forced to agree they belonged to the other person all along.

Great response on Twitter to the trite "Rights Are Not Like Pie" crap said by people who blatantly ignore the huge conflict of rights in this issue, even when women are saying that there is one:

I said "18 year olds" - the age of the poor woman placed in this position might be different.

I had to share a room in my first year at university, but it was 1976 and the number of TW in the UK was tiny. If, however, the door had opened and it wasn't the lovely woman who is still my good friend decades later but a male who identified as a woman, I'd have been terrified. I shudder to think of the poor 18 year olds that this might actually happen to and am enraged by the woke system that appears to think it reasonable and acceptable.

Maybe they give up because they can't answer the questions being asked without a total reevaluation of the position they've taken up to now? Maybe they need time to actually do research and reach their own conclusions? Maybe they don't want to consider any position but their own, and just came here to correct our thinking, and gave up when they realised it wasn't happening? There are loads of possible reasons but hey, why not leap to the predictable, huh?

I won't BE a woman

I've had a TW tell me in this feminist section that my infertility was less tragic than theirs because at least I had a womb. They're a father.

Woman is a discrete biological sex class. We had to fight for our own spaces for safety, privacy and dignity. We will not submit.

But It’s really no wonder women who try and ignite a dialogue about a hugely important polemic choose to just leave mumsnet

What I've said right from the beginning - that there's no wonder people don't usually engage or if they do they give up.

I’ve posted it a few times under different usernames. I name change regularly because I need to keep my job. 🤷‍♀️

If you don't have a good argument against the content you have to police the tine. It's like there's a script.

Yes. It's always telling when people do that.

Prolefeed, that must be torture for you. My heart goes out to you and every distressed youngster who has come to you for help. That is barbaric.

Thank you for sharing your experience, Prolefeed.

Curious to know what the posters who genuinely believe TWAW think of it.

*tone.

If you don't have a good argument against the content you have to police the tine. It's like there's a script.

You don't like my "tone", OP???

Tough.

prolefeed
I hope you manage to keep doing what you are doing. Thank you.

'leveraging your trauma to justify transphobia is unkind'

• Morgane Oger, to a woman campaigning to stop FGM

prolefeed much respect for your work to respect the dignity of women. In all sincerity, that kind of on-the-ground, quiet, practical effort brings a lump to my throat, tbh.

YY. I'm not sure if it's you, but this has been posted about before and I have stated before that sharing a room with a male would have broken me, going straight to university accommodation at 19 from an abusive relationship. Thanks for everything you are doing.

Why do transactivists and trans allies endlessly claim that they have high rates of suicide and murder and cite the pain of being "misgendered" which we're supposed to fall over ourselves to sympathise with, but when women talk about sexual or domestic violence or FGM that they have actually experienced they are accused of "weaponising their trauma to be transphobic"?

There is no magical number of female victims that will ever matter. They are revealingly tragically irrelevant to the ideology.

TWAW.
Shut up bigot that will never happen.
That happened but she wasn’t a real TW so it’s irrelevant.
TWAW.

prolefeed much respect for your work to respect the dignity of women. In all sincerity, that kind of on-the-ground, quiet, practical effort brings a lump to my throat, tbh.

10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Rules of Misogyny.

Ach. Another rl scenario. And I’ll be namechanging again afterwards, because, y’know, mortgage. Posted it on here before.
I work in student housing. We aren’t allowed to ask sex. Students declare gender and state if they want a single room or a shared room. We offer 3 gender options. M, F, U (undeclared). We deal with a LOT of international students with requirements wet religion/ culture.
If someone states they are female and want a shared room, I match them with someone else who stated they are female and wants to share. At no point in this process is it obvious to the vast majority of female students that ‘gender’ isn’t a polite term for ‘sex’ and that (if we don’t catch some other clue) they could end up in a tiny shared room with a male. Who is ‘female’ in his belief.
Of course, some of our trans students request a single room (and may provide a note to highlight they are trans to prioritize the request). We automatically give these students priority for singles (side note - one cohort realised this and all claimed to be trans to priority access our small pool of single stock).
All well and good so far.
The issue is when (when, not if, reasonably common) a trans student requests a shared room (because shared rooms are cheaper) and states their identified gender. In some instances we have clocked the situation (perhaps if they call in to make a deposit, when, sorry, ‘Faye’, it’s really obvious that you are not female) and have been able to avert a crisis by suddenly running out of share partners and allocating a single (or leaving an empty bed in a share.)
The trans student then gets a deal on their accommodation - they pay for a share and use a single.
Sometimes, we only find out after both students check in to their accommodation on arrival day. Usually because the distraught female turns up at the office in tears claiming she can’t share with (who? A woman? A transwoman? A male bodied individual who stated F as his gender on the form?) And that’s only if she’s brave enough to run the gauntlet of ‘transphobic bitch! Bigot!’
Look. I risk my job every time I prioritise a young female student’s right not to have to share a small bedroom with a male. I’m not allowed to ask sex. I have to hedge and work around and try to deconflict rights, because I know from bitter experience who is going to throw the mother of all tantrums and call in the wrath of every TRA on twitter, and who is going to be crying in the bathroom trying to summon the courage to ask for a different roomie.
Oh. Should also add we have mandatory trans training and that I had to grit my teeth and make a formal request to HR that they reinstate sex as a protected characteristic alongside gender in the updated harassment guidelines.
I don’t know about you Nellie, but I want my daughters to be able to choose their room mates based on sex. Not by their feels.
If you are interested, transmen always ask for a single and explain why. Transwomen don’t.