Stephen King retweets JKR

It at best seems inconclusive that trans women are an 'equal threat'

It's not, it's the status quo, until you manage to find robust, reliable evidence that they are less of a threat to women than any other group of males. Because that's how science works. You make a claim, you back it up. But we're dealing with ideology here.

Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known

I grew up with it. I will probably die in fear of it in a fucking care home or hospital or whatever is left in terms of institutional care when I'm in my decrepitude. But it'll have a different name. It'll be called #BeKind and #Tolerance and #Inclusiveness while my elderly female body is just a hate object for male violence.

I'd rather kill myself.

Offs. My local mall found a dead male behind the plumbing access panel in an individual women’s bathroom cubicle because some perverted little wanker crawled in to spy on naked female buttocks and got stuck.
He should have just said he was a woman. He would have been allowed right in.

Robin, how many transwomen rapists would you draw the line at, in order to agree that the collateral damage to women was too much?
How many women are you sacrificing until you get to that ‘too many’ number?
What gives you the right to increase risk to women? To give men what they demand?
How many, Robin?
NO MEN.
Ffs.
Why would you throw open the doors and enable ANY rapist in?
Women are just collateral damage? Men don’t want their own, so women have to shut the fuck up and accept them like good little girls?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

How do women tell the difference between predatory males & friendly transwomen?

The quote I'm quoting is from the same study I quoted before. It's interesting that you're not providing any studies to back up your claims. Just 'interviews'. Ho hum.

www.womenarehuman.com/male-trans-pedophilia-rape-history-sexually-attacks-women-at-homeless-shelter-christopher-hambrook/

How do women tell the difference between predatory males & friendly transwomen?

www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

Which interviews the researcher behind the research that was cited when I requested the stats that show similar threats. They clarified when that the pattern of criminality is not retained for the later cohort.

it seems like your quote is also from the study I quoted, but it is citing a past 1992 study.

It at best seems inconclusive that trans women are an 'equal threat'.

@DeRigueurMortis

Maud I think it's Lamahaha who I quoted who deserves the salute

But you're marvellous too!

Maud I think it's Lamahaha who I quoted who deserves the salute

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‘vulnerable in the way a woman is to sexual assault’
I missed that.
I’m 5’2 and can get pregnant.
Yes, anal rape is horrific whoever it occurs to. The perpetrators are all male (and some of them are incarcerated with female prisoners).
Let’s not forget size, strength, and biology when we are thoughtfully considering sexual assault. Not victim top trumps, but denying that biological sex has a part to play given actual fucking statistics is... interesting.
You are presumably aware that 85% of transwomen retain intact male genitalia? Have you ever looked up the #girlslikeus hashtag? These are the people you are foisting on biological women. Along with ones who ‘just want to pee’.

Thanks Benny I appreciate you taking the time to say that. Nope no grudges here! I’ve always been very supportive of trans rights and personally believe MtF transgender people who have genuine dysphoria pose no threat to women whatsoever and I am happy to share spaces with these people. I’m not happy to share spaces with any AGP who walks off the street, many of whom have no diagnosis of gender dysphoria, but again under the new rules a transgender person doesn’t actually need to feel any dysphoria. They don’t even need to ‘present’ as the opposite sex or in fact identify as the opposite gender full time as some people are ‘fluid’. They can just pick a day to say ‘I’m a woman’ and it’s transphobic and TERFy to say you’re uncomfortable with any of this.

A lot of people’s argument is ‘well who could be bothered going through all that hassle just to get into women’s spaces’.

It’s starting to sound like it’s not going to be putting them too much out of the way for men to take advantage of this isn’t it? In fact for AGPs this is how they get their sexual kicks so it’s not as if it’s much of a chore for them. You just have to look at those disgusting tweets from Jessica Yaniv about seeing girls with their tampon string hanging down and lots of other repulsive things. AGPs get a sexual thrill from being in a female environment. Not all of them will assault women and children but the fact that they are using them unwittingly in their sexual fetish is still a violation.

What do people think of this?

www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/no-link-between-trans-inclusive-policies-bathroom-safety-study-finds-n911106

Obviously a different country, do people think it is different here?

Fuck this for a game of soldiers. No we are saying no. And anyone who ignores no is a creepy creepy man.

robin can't find the sentence you quote. Found this while looking though:

Criminal activity, particularly violent crime, is much more common among men than women in the general population. A previous study of all applications for sex reassignment in Sweden up to 1992 found that 9.7% of male-to-female and 6.1% of female-to-male applicants had been prosecuted for a crime.[33] Crime after sex reassignment, however, has not previously been studied. In this study, male-to-female individuals had a higher risk for criminal convictions compared to female controls but not compared to male controls. This suggests that the sex reassignment procedure neither increased nor decreased the risk for criminal offending in male-to-females. By contrast, female-to-males were at a higher risk for criminal convictions compared to female controls and did not differ from male controls, which suggests increased crime proneness in female-to-males after sex reassignment.

I was going to post but this nails it for me.

(Sorry, the post I quoted was WAY back. But I could not read further after being told how vulnerable these people are.)

Benny10

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Benny10 currently when my 11 yr old daughter is getting changed after swimming (not currently I suppose but normal times!) in the large comunal women’s changing room if a male person walks in the girls would I hope be able to scream & their coaches sure as hell would chuck out any male they spotted going into the girls changing, management would help them.
Under self ID that male just says (beard, erect penis & all) I’m a woman you bigots. And my daughter & her team mates are; watched by a male without their consent & he can expose himself to them OR they lose out on the sport they love.

That’s the tip of the iceberg. Vulnerable women in prison locked up with abusive males - it’s all ready happening sad

This would never happen, you would scream and he'd be dealt with. There's been some good points made on here. But everyone on both sides of this focuses on the extreme exceptions to the rule rather than the vast majority who are the people actually living this who want to harm no one or take advantage of no one it becomes so emotionally charged

I don't think that any man should be able to walk into a female space because he's said he identifies as a female. There should be a process and someone with everyone's best interests at heart should approve you before you can access them? Fair compromise?

Other people have addressed your “just scream” point & I’m please to read that you have thought more due to the responses. (Please consider that my daughter is slooooow getting ready & may be the last one of her team getting dressed as the male person walks in - screaming might put her in danger, that’s why one biological response to danger/fear is freezing.)

Ultimately I want you to understand that my daughter does NOT CONSENT to being seen in a state of undress by a strange male & she does NOT CONSENT to seeing his naked body.

Women DO NOT CONSENT- why is that not enough?

Good luck with your campaign for third/mixed sex spaces - I’ll support you

In a park it would be indecent exposure

robin

Where is the Cecilia Dhejne quote from, please?

I'm not sure why anyone would want to divide the study into two parts. Sure, if you ignore that bits you don't like you will get the answer you want.

This would never happen, you would scream and he'd be dealt with.

This is the sort of beyond disgusting victim blaming shite that has resulted in women not wanting to share their spaces with the male bodied. When I was being pinned down and assaulted (by a total stranger, who suddenly appeared in what I thought was a safe space), I tried to scream, but guess what. Nothing. I was mouthing the word "help", but no sound came out. Blood ringing in my ears, pretty much frozen. It's a common reaction, apparently, and one used against women in courtrooms (why didn't your scream, why didn't you fight back).

I'm a swimmer, my daughter is a regional level swimmer. Have you spent any time at a pool during a gala? Or just a usual, every day swim session for that matter, maybe a day when the kids have swim classes? Do you know where the coaches are? They are pool side, which is incredibly noisy. Where people are yelling, shouting support (both in galleries and poolside), There's often music playing and klaxons. The water is incredibly noisy during races. Use your imagination, Benny. Do you think anyone would distinguish a scream in a changing room over those sounds?