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Stephen King retweets JKR

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 18:43

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A Dworkin quote.

Stephen King retweets JKR
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 18:55

Sk is a bastard for tweeting something that makes people who are often very vulnerable feel good about themselves

Because it's not true, and as a belief it hurts women. However things that aren't true make people feel about themselves. There are other people affected by these untruths.

Redshoeblueshoe · 29/06/2020 18:55

I know smallsteps - it's called life.

Unfortunately women aren't allowed to talk anymore.

Benny10 · 29/06/2020 18:55

Your calling me thick because I disagree with you, that's typically something thick or angry people do themselves

JemimaShore · 29/06/2020 18:54

Trans women aren't biologically the same as women obviously and it's not like they'll take anyone's place in any way

Transwomen have taken women's & girl's political places, places on sports teams, scholarships, awards.

So yes, calling them women, and allowing this, does take away from women.

And there is no shame in women wanting female only changing rooms, toilets etc - some women don't mind mixed-sex spaces - but the ones who do should not just be brushed aside and ignored.

Highperbolay · 29/06/2020 18:53

What's the issue with calling trans women women? And why is Stephen King a bastard for thinking they should be called women?

Well for starters, transwomen are not women. They are transwomen. If they were women, they wouldn't be transwomen would they? Smile

And he is a dick because he posted apparently in support of JK Rowling, then posted something directly afterwards that totally undermined that thereby giving fuel to the 'Choke on my girl dick you cunt' brigade. When he could have just said nothing at all and left her alone.

Smallsteps88 · 29/06/2020 18:51

People with similar opinions on a topic gravitate towards a shared space that allows them to discuss it and it’s a “strange conformity”? Interesting. And what is it called when men agree on things?

EyesOpening · 29/06/2020 18:50

@wellbehavedwomen

Just wanted to say that if you donate to Lumos, you can do so in someone's honour, and if you give an email address they are notified that you have done so, so you can put her 'info' address. I suspect that would be the best thank you JKR could have, tbh. Though supportive messages obviously also matter.
great idea, thank you! email is [email protected]
SerenityNowwwww · 29/06/2020 18:50

Hence the ‘or’ - hypothetical person.

Thisismytimetoshine · 29/06/2020 18:49

How is refusing to acknowledge trans women as women, instead of trans women, "ostracising" them?
Did you actually understand any of JK Rowling's tweets? Or read the replies?

Nancydrawn · 29/06/2020 18:49

What’s the issue calling them trans women or transsexuals or transvestites?

These are all different things.

Benny10 · 29/06/2020 18:45

This thread is strange in its conformity. Sk is a bastard for tweeting something that makes people who are often very vulnerable feel good about themselves, I saw someone say the shit babies are trying to make JK Rowling deleting her tweet "into something" I'd say it's plain that she wanted to make it something by going to the bother of removing her praise of him over 4 words.

I doubt he's very invested in this war he's just a fair minded man who doesn't believe anyone should be ostracised. JK Rowling deleting her tweet on the other hand indicates an aggression in her view that trans women are NOT to be called women which to me seem to make her far less empathetic and likeable person

(Trans women aren't biologically the same as women obviously and it's not like they'll take anyone's place in any way, the argument that it puts women in danger is ridiculous so what is the problem really? I'd like to know)

FloralBunting · 29/06/2020 18:41

Jaysus, the thick anti woman sexists can't get their heads around women having their own thoughts. No, not a Linehan fan. Thanks for your input. Pillock.

EyesOpening · 29/06/2020 18:38

@Heygirlheyboy

Yes I always want to ask 'In what way?', honestly. I think that anyone should be allowed to wear what they want and live the life they want and if adults, take hormones etc. I would treat anyone with respect, use whatever name and pronouns etc, no problem. But I don't actually get the twaw.. I don't see what the problem with simply being tw is, while being accepted as a woman day to day with no discrimination and being provided with acceptable changing facilities etc. I assume I am therefore transphobic though I have no hate whatsoever.
this is more or less what I think too. "In what way"? - get back in the kitchen? you can't do man-things? you can't get paid the same as men? you're not as important as men? Is this what they want? I don't really get it. I'm still trying to figure out how I identify as a woman, I think it's more that other people look at me and recognise/identify me as the female of the human race. Until recently, I too presumed that all TW were "presenting" as women and had either had the (bottom) op or were going to and I wasn't bothered about sharing toilet facilities with them, I now understand the implications and the effects on others and that it's not about me), I really had no idea!
SerenityNowwwww · 29/06/2020 18:37

@Benny10

What's the issue with calling trans women women? And why is Stephen King a bastard for thinking they should be called women? And what's with the weird cult like following of JK Rowling? Is it purely because she has an issue with calling trans women women? And finally are you all big Graham Linehan fans in here too? Smile
What’s the issue calling them trans women or transsexuals or transvestites?
midgebabe · 29/06/2020 18:36

The issue with calling transwomen women is that they are not.

We could change the meaning of the word , although no one has managed to come up with a workable definition

Further, they don't just want to be called women, they also want access to women's rights, those extra rights granted to women to help them achieve their human rights

Thisismytimetoshine · 29/06/2020 18:35

And here's another one... 🙄

Benny10 · 29/06/2020 18:33

What's the issue with calling trans women women? And why is Stephen King a bastard for thinking they should be called women? And what's with the weird cult like following of JK Rowling? Is it purely because she has an issue with calling trans women women? And finally are you all big Graham Linehan fans in here too? Smile

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 18:22

Imagine changing the meaning of the words transsexual, female, girls and women all in the space of 5 years and having the fucking temerity to call someone transphobic for not accepting it immediately

This. And "lesbian".

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 29/06/2020 17:56

@AnyOldPrion

He’s a writer. If he wanted to support her right to speak, but disagreed with the content, he could easily have made that clear.

Even if he only wanted to support her right to speak, and realised it was being misconstrued, he could have explained that without much difficulty, and been apologetic.

Instead, he behaved like an abusive man: he offered apparent support, then responded to an openly abusive tweet with a lazy mantra that is in direct conflict with all that she’s been saying.

But the worst thing about all this, is that in all the furore and abuse, the quiet, thoughful words that JK Rowling wrote have been overshadowed. This was her moment, and he fucked it up royally.

I couldn't agree more with this. It's now all about SK. Bastard.
midgebabe · 29/06/2020 17:53

You can be a feminist and support trans rights without having to think that TWAW

Sexnotgender · 29/06/2020 17:51

@Katypyee

Trans women ARE women. They matter too. All these threads supporting JK make me want to puke. You can still be a feminist and support trans rights too you know.
They make you want to puke? Are you 5 years old?
LizzieSiddal · 29/06/2020 17:47

Trans women ARE women

No they aren't women, they are Trans Women. If they were women, you wouldn't need the trans bit.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 29/06/2020 17:43

Hoodathunkit Flowers

Just a reminder to the "you are such nasty transphobes" ploppers: these are the people you want us to be being kind to. You might be happy to find yourself in an enclosed space with them. No me.

JK Rowling and the transactivists: A Story in Screenshots

hoodathunkit · 29/06/2020 17:33

Trans women ARE women. They matter too. All these threads supporting JK make me want to puke. You can still be a feminist and support trans rights too you know.

Supporting the rights of gender non-conforming people is NOT the same as parroting the TWAW lie.

I am a survivor of sex trafficking and of torture and when I read and hear the TWAW lie it causes me immense distress.

I was told every day by my pimp that I am not a real woman.

Like many women I had impostor syndrome all my life because I didn't feel like a real woman.

Now I am supposed to listen to a bunch of men calling me an oppressor because I do not belive that they are women simply because they feel like it inside? Seriously?

When I see this lie repeated on the BBC and in various statutory organisations I find it terrifying. It causes me to feel that the world has gone mad and is not safe.

There again I'm just a woman so my feelings don't matter compared to those of men.

AnyOldPrion · 29/06/2020 17:28

He’s a writer. If he wanted to support her right to speak, but disagreed with the content, he could easily have made that clear.

Even if he only wanted to support her right to speak, and realised it was being misconstrued, he could have explained that without much difficulty, and been apologetic.

Instead, he behaved like an abusive man: he offered apparent support, then responded to an openly abusive tweet with a lazy mantra that is in direct conflict with all that she’s been saying.

But the worst thing about all this, is that in all the furore and abuse, the quiet, thoughful words that JK Rowling wrote have been overshadowed. This was her moment, and he fucked it up royally.

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