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Women have a huge privilege compared to trans women

135 replies

IDanielRadcliffe · 28/06/2020 14:47

www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/transgender-diary-women-have-huge-privilege-compared-transwomen/

I think DT manages to be both racist and sexist this week.

OP posts:
thegcatsmother · 28/06/2020 18:05

I like the coats D Thomas wears in the photos, but I don't look at the pics and see a woman - I see the man in previous columns.

Binterested · 28/06/2020 17:37

And there we have it. This person is actually a woman. Not a transwoman. A woman.

I on the other hand am a subsidiary of woman. A cis woman.

He can just absolutely fuck off. This person is not a woman, has never been a woman, will never be a woman.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 28/06/2020 17:32

My mum is a Telegraph reader. She passes the magazine onto me every week with the words "don't read that column it will annoy you". My mum is wise.

Fanthorpe · 28/06/2020 17:31

I wonder how this goes down with Telegraph readers in general?

Thesuzle · 28/06/2020 17:22

His page is the ONLY BIT OF THE MAGAZINE I WONT READ. Makes my blood boil

tenlittlecygnets · 28/06/2020 17:17

What an absolute cock. And completely tone deaf to what women face every frigging day.

My 16yo dd went out in town with a friend the other day, both in shorts and tees, nothing revealing, and they were honked at/catcalled 12 times.

Disgusting.

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/06/2020 16:54

What a load of guff. I am just wondering if this particular transwoman wants to be harassed. They go on about it enough. Perhaps it’s a disappointment they haven’t been.

Onestepup · 28/06/2020 16:51

Women are even harrassed for saying they are women due to being adult human females.

JellySlice · 28/06/2020 16:49

On the day that this person first experiences the harassment that they so fear, will they shout "transphobia!" or will they shout "misogyny!"?

When they get patronised or talked over by other males will they shout "transphobia!" or will they shout "misogyny!"?

When men appropriate their suggestions or projects will they shout "transphobia!" or will they shout "misogyny!"?

Will they need specific words to be used so that they can understand why they are being targeted?

Or will they feel warmly affirmed as a woman by being assaulted, patronised, talked over and appropriated in the manner most women experience as part of female privilege?

DishRanAwayWithTheSpoon · 28/06/2020 16:48

I got harassed 3 times just on friday because I dared to wear shorts (although also got harassed when in scrubs the day before so not sure I can blame the shorts)

Feel free to take my privelage.

Onestepup · 28/06/2020 16:48

"as a trans woman, even one with nice clothes, a great surgeon and fancy hair"

Female is a sex, not an obligation to be an airhead.

Doyoumind · 28/06/2020 16:47

Every time someone posts about that diary I find it creepy, yes, but totally laughable. No one surely reads it as they intend it to be read. I particularly loved "as a trans woman, even one with nice clothes, a great surgeon and fancy hair." No one looks and sees a woman. No one.

Onestepup · 28/06/2020 16:46

Transwomen

WOMEN face sky-high rates of harassment, abuse and violence. It has happened to me and to most women. It doesn't only happen once, the possibility is always there, and part of my mind is permanently engaged in the job of trying to avoid it. But conforming to someone else's definition of "normal, feminine and unthreatening" are not my job nor any other woman's.

Blibbyblobby · 28/06/2020 16:45

But as a trans woman, even one with nice clothes, a great surgeon and fancy hair, I never, ever entirely lose the awareness and anxiety that comes with confronting a world that I know can be very hostile indeed.

WELCOME TO FUCKING WOMANHOOD - HOPE YOU LIKE YOUR PRIZE!

DishRanAwayWithTheSpoon · 28/06/2020 16:43

Something that has really pissed me off recently is I have noticed that transwomen are the centre of every humans rights movement.

Lots of my friends posting about BLM - multiple posts about how we must centre black transwomen in BLM. 0 posts about black women, 0 posts about black transmen

Pride yesterday -we must centre black transwomen, again multiple posts about transwomen. Nothing about lesbians (unless they are transwomen), nothing about black transmen (who apparently dont seem to exist)

Womens rights - we must centre transwomen.

Evens trans rights are only about transwomen. They really are pushing the oppression olympics, youd think when every single humans rights movement is supposed to be putting you at the centre you might start to gain some privelage

blackpoe · 28/06/2020 16:38

@2Rebecca

A lot of TRAs spout that nonsense. They're keen to win the "most oppressed of all" medal. This person could have stayed a white middle class male if they were concerned about privilege
This. They have a choice whether to play their silly little games. Women don't.
TabbyStar · 28/06/2020 16:38

And since all major league sportsmen and women in the USA have a university education, they’re doing so with an intelligence that matches their passion and rage.

Let's also add elitist / classist; how can anyone who's not gone to university ever sound intelligent?Confused

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 28/06/2020 16:34

They always resort to the analogy of being black. Racist and not the same thing at all. A Black American doesn't need to bend reality to be considered an American. They just are. A black woman doesn't need to bend reality to be considered a woman. She just is one. A seahorse is not a horse. A transwoman is not a woman.

OliveKitteridgeAgain · 28/06/2020 16:29

@ShowOfHands

Never happened?

Try happened since the age of 11 when I developed secondary sexual characteristics. Try groped on public transport. Try flashed. Try catcalled. Try demeaned. Try asked in a job interview if my husband approves of me working full time. Try erect cocks pressed against me on a packed underground. Try being called frigid because I said no. Try seeing your 12yr old daughter hassled and touched.

Take my privilege. Fucking take it.

If you're AGP, this is exactly what you want.
SocialConnection · 28/06/2020 16:18

Oddly enough, it's ever since I stopped looking 'normal, feminine and unthreatening' - ie over 50, menopausal and angry - that the harassment stopped.

SerendipityJane · 28/06/2020 16:14

@Fanthorpe

I find this conflation of racism with ‘transphobia’ really hard to understand.
It's all to do with the art of catching passing bandwagons. Last year it was polar bears.

I read somewhere someone describe TWAW as the equivalent of a homeopathic women.

ShowOfHands · 28/06/2020 16:10

Never happened?

Try happened since the age of 11 when I developed secondary sexual characteristics. Try groped on public transport. Try flashed. Try catcalled. Try demeaned. Try asked in a job interview if my husband approves of me working full time. Try erect cocks pressed against me on a packed underground. Try being called frigid because I said no. Try seeing your 12yr old daughter hassled and touched.

Take my privilege. Fucking take it.

Kimlek · 28/06/2020 16:06

God help our daughters!!!

june2007 · 28/06/2020 16:04

In the fact there actually women?

AnyFucker · 28/06/2020 16:03

Why is he making a direct comparison between transwomen and women ?

They are not the same thing.