Women have a huge privilege compared to trans women

Most gender disphoric transgender people understand this because they have thought long and hard about it

Plus most gender dysphoric people have been gender non-conforming, so (sadly) are used to not fitting in and being socially disadvantaged. When you've been a privileged white twat male like DT prior to transition, it must come as a hell of a shock not to be at the top of the tree, in terms of how society treats you. Some AGP TW seem to get off on this - fetishing women's subservience - but presumably not all.

I don't know how someone so self absorbed can also be so oblivious.

As a white, middle class educated man DT had a lot of privilege for a long time, now they are transgender they feel that they have less privilege, but they will never know how it feels to grow up female and like many TRAs doesn't bother to put in the work to try to understand. Therefore they feel like they have less prilivege than women when they actually have less prilvilege (are treated differently) then they previously had.

Most gender disphoric transgender people understand this because they have thought long and hard about it. When your transition is just about a fetish and you can't actually humanise that which you aspire to be then you will never understand.

Why is it that women specifically have a privilege that TW don't?

Don't non-trans men enjoy equivalent privileges by virtue of not being trans?

I can't read the article as it's behind a paywall, but if the privilege they're talking about is non-trans privilege, why single out women, who are already hugely marginalised, as not experiencing trans oppression?

Outside of misogyny, what reason can there possibly be for singling out women specifically as benefiting from non-trans privilege?

Women have a huge privilege compared to trans women

But but but... I thought transwomen are women? So they have the same huge privilege surely?

That was my understanding too but do you know what I want. The same privileges as men please.

More the question is where are the 60 year old women transitioning to men after a lifetime of feeling they might be men. Finally liberated from careers and child rearing to be their true selves?

It doesn’t happen. Ever.

We all know why men transition.

no amount of oestrogen can dim my passion for American football.

I work tangentially with American Football (I don't get American sports at all - just when you're getting into it, they stop and reset everything. A 3 hour NFL game has just 11 minutes of action!). It has a huge racism problem - google 'running back NFL' or 'wide receiver NFL'. Now look at 'quarterback NFL' - the glory position - see what you suddenly notice......

Personally, and despite my oestrogen, I much prefer MotoGP (or if I really have to watch a ball sport, football)

Let me get this straight though. Women are privileged over transwomen, because transwomen get abuse for being transwomen but really they should be abused for being women? And it's hurtful they're abused for the wrong reason. Is that the essence of the argument?

yes, why is it these types always seem to transition to the barbie doil type of women? I have yet to see a MTF transition to a lady wearing jeans, glasses and low heeled shoes who rides a motorbike.

There are TW more like the latter - I think you don't see them because they're the ones who are trying to quietly get on with their lives, not trans activists.

Male person has to permanently focus on trying to appear unthreatening. Exactly what you want in someone you’re forced to share public loos with.

How convenient (not skilfully manoeuvred at all, no) to be able to call transphobia when someone happens to react to you being threatening and behaving abnormally. No gaslighting to see here folks, move along!

The Twitter response to DT is not favourable.

The DT is rapidly losing subscribers as it is veering towards becoming the Guardian. If DT subscribers wanted the Guardian, they wouldn't be subscribing to the DT!

And I'm not suggesting for a second that women stop 'whinging', I'm just saying that trans women are 'just' dealing with the stuff everyone else has dealt with for years. Regardless of where you fall on the the TWAW debate, the fact is that a lot of the issues that trans women complain about are simply issues that their chosen gender have been dealing with for years

Women have a huge privilege compared to trans women

But but but... I thought transwomen are women? So they have the same huge privilege surely?

• Now, you may be wondering where I’m going with this, and thinking, ‘Oh Lord, she’s not going to claim that being trans means she can understand what it means to be black, is she?’

No, I wouldn’t dream of being so offensively presumptuous.*

But happy to be presumptuous and claim to be a woman. Obvs. because unlike black football players, women have no proper selves worthy of respect. No experience of their own biology worth a second thought. We’re just inferior shadow-selves of men, our identity so vague it can be inhabited any time a deviant male wants it.

Surely there is an element of if you genuinely believe you are a woman, you deal with the shit women deal with EVERY DAY and stop fucking whinging about it?

I despair.

They have never been harrassed or abused for being trans or appearing to be female. But the prospect terrifies them so much that they are supposedly in competition with women as to who has it the worst.

I do wonder what The Telegraph's goal is here. Are they deliberately playing it dumb? There's no way their readers will be swallowing this rubbish.

Ah, the tired old privilege card. Am getting sick of hearing about privilege these days. All these opressed whiny people can take a hike.

And I'm not convinced a TW would consider wolf whistles and sexist innuendo 'harassment' - more likely 'affirmation'.)

In the kinds of groups my ex was in they all raved about it and saw it as some kind of fucking initiation or coming of womanhood.

The older ones have very unrealistic expectations compared to my younger trans friends.

I constantly had to remind my ex that the groups were unhealthy. He would look at these pictures and I'd be like "but that's not realistic for ANYONE over the age of 40... a 40 year old woman isnt gonna look like a 20 year old woman"... so how the fuck anyone else is expecting to achieve it I dont know.

Transwomen face sky-high rates of harassment, abuse and violence. It hasn’t happened to me yet. But it only has to happen once, the possibility is always there, and part of my mind is permanently engaged in the job of trying to avoid it by appearing normal, feminine and unthreatening.

as a biological female, it's happened to me lots. Like the other large percentage of women it's happened to we also are always aware that it could happen (again) at any moment. Not sure a point is actually being made here? It certainly doesn't demonstrate biological female privelige. If Diana ever walked down the street feeling safe then that's privelige and it's an arrogant smack in the face not to realise that biological females never have been as safe as Diana used to be. Ever.

The article is just offensive nonsense. Why bring up race at all. The author quickly lost me. I wonder who the target audience is? Are they sitting, reading and nodding along??

Transwomen face sky-high rates of harassment, abuse and violence. It hasn’t happened to me yet. But it only has to happen once, the possibility is always there, and part of my mind is permanently engaged in the job of trying to avoid it by appearing normal, feminine and unthreatening.

Funny that, cause it was happening to me on the regular by the time I was 10. Does this person actually know any woman, and do they ever speak to said women without sticking their fingers in their ears and going "oopsie, can't hear you"?

Yeah the privilege to not be educated in some parts of the world.
To be consistently underpaid.
To be the victim of primarily male violence.
Jog on mate.

"One of the discoveries one makes when transitioning is not how much changes, but how little."

Yep, we could have told you that.