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Lloyd Russell Moyle back-pedals furiously

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merrymouse · 28/06/2020 09:03

twitter.com/lloyd_rm

But this wasn't just an ill thought out spur of the moment tweet.

This was an article in a magazine.

He wrote:

"Recently, of course, we saw people like JK Rowling using her own sexual assault as justification for discriminating against a group of people who were not responsible for it."

He has asked for that quote to be removed, but the article was posted several days ago. Apparently now that people are asking for his removal from the front bench, he sees his error.

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RufustheRowlingReindeer · 28/06/2020 18:48

So i can still like stephen king?

Oh the relief

Jumbogirl · 28/06/2020 18:29

RLM = Twatty McTwat Face

lionheart · 28/06/2020 18:26

Stephen King has retweeted the JKR Dworkin tweet.

Interesting to see the responses to that.

teawamutu · 28/06/2020 18:15

@AngryBananaSund

I suspect that RLM has just discovered that in a battle of words he’s brought a pointy stick to a gun fight
Dear god I love that woman.

Yes, he has. And I adore that she tied it squarely to Labour's stance on women's rights as well as him being a slogan-chanting twat.

She lobs gorgeously-crafted word grenades with total precision.

And I wrote to her too. So happy to think she might have taken comfort from her messages.

WombOfOnesOwn · 28/06/2020 17:40

Isn't it incredible how the modern left is all about "lived experience" and believing in lived experience and making sure everyone understands the lived experiences of others...

Until women talk about our lived experiences of men's abuse and why it makes us afraid of men taking advantage of public policy. Then, and only then, it's "using" our rapes and exploitation. When we talk about men's harms to us and that we're not interested in playing sexualized pretend games with men, our lived experiences are just manipulative tears designed to get what we want.

The pattern becomes more obvious every year.

Melroses · 28/06/2020 17:38

www.express.co.uk/videos/6131855338001/Labour-s-Russell-Moyle-clashes-with-expert-over-transphobia

Here is his performance on politics live, with the moving pictures (his face!) where he is rude to the ever patient Selina Todd who outclasses him.

(unfortunately the Express adverts are a bit like a firework show)

BigBadVoodooHat · 28/06/2020 17:22

I suspect that RLM has just discovered that in a battle of words he’s brought a pointy stick to a gun fight

And seemingly it’s not the first time his witlessness has been so publicly apparent:

mobile.twitter.com/mattforde/status/1277176813836554240

Siablue · 28/06/2020 17:21

Just when you think you can’t love JKR anymore this happens. I am so pleased that she read some of the emails. I sent one where I told of my story of abuse. I am glad she has got so much support.

I do hope that this is the start of the fight back. I will email Keir Starmer.

AngryBananaSund · 28/06/2020 17:04

I suspect that RLM has just discovered that in a battle of words he’s brought a pointy stick to a gun fight

lionheart · 28/06/2020 16:57

For those who are twitter averse. JKR:

  1. Today I discovered that I was accused of hate by shadow environment minister Lloyd Russell-Moyle in the pages of
*@tribunemagazine*. He claimed I was ‘using’ my experiences of sexual assault and domestic violence to ‘discriminate’ against trans people.
  1. This morning, Mr Russell-Moyle issued an apology on Twitter, although he didn’t trouble to tag me in. Coincidentally, his change of heart occurred after his remarks were repeated in national newspapers with higher circulations than
*@tribunemagazine*
  1. For those who’d like to know what triggered the shadow minister’s original accusation, these are the relevant paragraphs of the essay I wrote a couple of weeks ago. The full piece can be read here bit.ly/386iUOs
  1. Since writing my essay, I’ve received over 3000 emails thanking me for speaking up. I’ve been brought to tears many times while reading, sometimes out of gratitude for their kindness, but also because many women have shared their own experiences of violence & sexual assault.
  1. Some emails came from professionals working in women’s refuges, the prison service, the social work system, the criminal justice system and the police. All expressed concerns about the aims and methods of current trans activism.
  1. As I stated in my essay, my primary worry is the risks to vulnerable women. As everyone knows, I’m no longer reliant on communal facilities, nor am I likely to be imprisoned or need a women's refuge any time soon. I’m not arguing for the privileged, but the powerless.
  1. When so-called leftists like *@lloyd*_rm demand that we give up our hard won sex-based rights, they align themselves squarely with men’s rights activists. To both groups, female trauma is white noise, an irrelevance, or else exaggerated or invented. bit.ly/2BIPTMK
  1. Andrea Dworkin wrote: ‘Men often react to women’s words—speaking and writing—as if they were acts of violence; sometimes men react to women’s words with violence.’ It isn't hateful for women speak about their own experiences, nor do they deserve shaming for doing so.
  1. I accept *@lloyd*_rm 's apology in the hope that he’ll dig a little deeper than hashtags and slogans. He might then understand why increasing numbers of people are deeply concerned about
@UKLabour’s position on women’s rights.
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JackiF · 28/06/2020 16:39

Have you seen the death of Stalin? I am increasingly thinking that real like is turning into that film.

It's my favourite film, but then I did spend a lot of time at union meetings, which resembled the Central Committee.

Zhukov at an LRM surgery, by heck.

Siablue · 28/06/2020 14:41

Have you seen the death of Stalin? I am increasingly thinking that real like is turning into that film.

MrsNoah2020 · 28/06/2020 13:44

@BovaryX

You know the rules. Full cancellation and unpersoning. Pack your stuff

It's interesting, isn't it? Those issuing the denunciation orders imagine it doesn't apply to them. If they had any historical knowledge, it might give them pause....

Like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children

Indeed.

"You'll follow us shortly, your house will be beaten down and salt sown in the place where it stood!"

BitchPeas · 28/06/2020 13:38

I’ve emailed Keir Starmer about this, I live in Brighton, not in LRMs constituency thankfully Grin

He cannot leave him in the shadow cabinet after this, he’s vile at the best of times, this has pushed him right over the edge into completely unacceptable.

merrymouse · 28/06/2020 13:29

Wonder how he felt about Rosie Duffield's speech a few months ago about her experience of domestic abuse?

Blah, blah, women, something, blah, it's so unfair that male Labour MPs have to pretend to be interested in this.

I imagine.

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noblegiraffe · 28/06/2020 13:25

LRM is an MP for Brighton Kemptown. His constituents are probably going to agree with him.

Beamur · 28/06/2020 13:25

I'm increasingly liking Keir Starmer. I think he was right to let RLB go and the froth I'm seeing on social media howling about this is really pathetic. A mistake was made (she really must learn to read things properly before endorsing them) compounded by a faux apology. She's been demoted, not sacked. She's relatively new to politics and given time may well return to the front bench.
I am heartened by what seems to be firm leadership at the helm of the Labour Party.
This thread is also encouraging, misogynistic MP retracts foul comments and apologises. His apology, even if he isn't sacked sets a tone. This is good.

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/06/2020 13:24

How can the public have confidence that he views women who have talked about their assaults, in order to bring about changes to the law, as anything other than exploiters.

Wonder how he felt about Rosie Duffield's speech a few months ago about her experience of domestic abuse?

Siablue · 28/06/2020 13:20

So Owen Jones now thinks that misogyny and anti Semitism is ok. I am on the left of the Labour Party but I really despair at some of the people involved. Some things are indefensible, even more so when it comes from our elected representatives.

I hope Lloyd Russell-Vole gets chucked out at the next election. Someone with that attitude to women has no role making laws.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 13:00

we are getting more than a little pissed off at being last in the queue for everything.

Oh, I'm beyond pissed off. I'm entering that weirdly calm phase.

Highperbolay · 28/06/2020 12:42

It's so interesting watching these men struggle with what to do when women say 'no'. They literally don't know what to do, so the only thing they can do is to frame them as 'bad people'.

As a total aside, I do wish people would stop referring to these alleged tweets about OJ saying it was transphobic for a lesbian not to want to suck dick, when they don't have screenshots. I have heard lots about these tweets but I have never seen the screenshots myself, and I think it discredits the argument a bit as it makes it look like women are making stuff up. Having said that, if OJ thinks transmen are actually men, then logically he would have no problem with having a sexual relationship with someone with a female body, so it doesn't actually really matter what he said. But I do prefer stuff with receipts.

Bananabixfloof · 28/06/2020 12:33

I think he’ll be fired from the front bench tomorrow morning
Well I've sent starmer an email saying that he should in fact fire lloyd RM and while hes at the helm of the LP possibly just for once in ever, put women first.

Hopefully others have done similar and he takes on board that we are getting more than a little pissed off at being last in the queue for everything.

sashagabadon · 28/06/2020 12:32

He does seem a particularly horrible sort of person and a wally too
I bet keir would love to ger rid of him.
Wonder if he will take the opportunity.
You can't come down hard on anti semitism and then not do the same for misogyny