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Daily Mail article on “Minor attracted persons”

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Siablue · 28/06/2020 08:54

This was in the Mail today. I wonder if the journalist reads this board.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466899/Paedophiles-rebrand-minor-attracted-persons-chilling-online-propaganda-drive.html

Someone in comments mentioned that they got banned on Twitter for challenging someone about posting about being attracted to children Sad

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OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 28/06/2020 13:46

I said long ago that the shit would only hit the fan around the whole area of self id, women’s spaces and sports and institutional capture by pedophiles (I’m not using some cuddly acronym) when it was brought to the attention of “normal” people. It’s starting now. They thought they could hide in plain site until everything was locked up tight. What they forgot was the general populations hatred for pedophiles. (Unless it’s on pornhub) It’s disappointing that it’s the Mail that has covered it, but hopefully it will stir up the red tops too and by extension the rest of MSM.

SarahTancredi · 28/06/2020 13:46

The issue is not so much people promoting it. No one needs to do that there are sadly thousands of these monsters everywhere.

But there are an awful lot if organisations who refuse to engage in any kind of conversation that would allow people to point out where loopholes can be exploited. Too many afraid that if they have aligned themselves with other causes they that will get them labelled anti this or phobic that.

The adults seem to have left the building

SarahTancredi · 28/06/2020 13:38

Stonewall isn't promoting MAP as being "valid" is it? Talk of a flag alarmed me. Stonewall do love a flag

No. But then they havent withdrawn guidance formed while a certain person was on the advisory board either.

Nor have they rethought their slogan " acceptance without exception " when a peadophile got released after claiming to be a woman taking oestrogen ( not full time mind as they still wanted their erection ) and the system decided the risk was reduced enough to release them now they were a woman.

And we all know JY is protected even though they are blatantly predatory because they play the trans card every bloody time and canada well you know.....

Aesopfable · 28/06/2020 13:35

@TorkTorkBam

Stonewall isn't promoting MAP as being "valid" is it? Talk of a flag alarmed me. Stonewall do love a flag.
Promoting it would still be considered a step too far by Stonewall I think. Too blatant.
Broomfondle · 28/06/2020 13:33

I don't think protecting and enforcing ideas regarding consent of 12 year old Nigerian girls was part of our colonial past somehow....

ChurchOfWokeApostate · 28/06/2020 13:24

What I find murkies the waters(and I'm guilty of it myself) is dragging teens ,especially older ones in a discussion about pedophiles

It’s probably because the majority of people find hebephilia every bit as immoral as paedophilia, and therefore conflate them.
I agree that the waters are muddled because with teens they can be ‘legal’ and still look like twelve year olds, but most people will class it all as the same thing, And see the men as paedophiles

TorkTorkBam · 28/06/2020 13:23

Stonewall isn't promoting MAP as being "valid" is it? Talk of a flag alarmed me. Stonewall do love a flag.

SarahTancredi · 28/06/2020 13:23

I am also astonished that this is not all over all of the papers. The amount of evidence is ridiculous of increasingly open paedophilia being supported by major social media platforms. They'll ban you for misgendering but you are absolutely fine to put on your profile that you have a sexual preference for 8-11 year olds and use easily searchable MAP hashtags. How is that not front page news?

Because that would mean that women/feminists were right. And every single one of them will have to own their very public abuse of women who warned them that these monsters were using the LGBT as a shield. Many many gay men also spoke up furious that all the hard work to change minds of those who thought being gay meant they were predators was being undone by these creeps. And they too were blocked and booted off social media.

I await the comments/articles that will now blame women for not saying or doing anything.

Well we have the receipts.

Even now just days after the asda debacle the NAHT partnered with DM.

ListeningQuietly · 28/06/2020 13:18

The PIE / Pride links are there for all to see on Companies House
(look up who owns a company called "The Reform Party")

TorkTorkBam · 28/06/2020 13:15

I find it terribly worrying that twitter allows messaging between people who identify as MAPs and actual minors.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 13:12

So, James Rennie could well be out and about by now.

TorkTorkBam · 28/06/2020 13:11

@hedgehogger1

Why only the Daily Mail? I wish some other media outlets would pick this up. We need a panarama episode on it
I am also astonished that this is not all over all of the papers. The amount of evidence is ridiculous of increasingly open paedophilia being supported by major social media platforms. They'll ban you for misgendering but you are absolutely fine to put on your profile that you have a sexual preference for 8-11 year olds and use easily searchable MAP hashtags. How is that not front page news?

Surely, from a purely monetary point of view, which always matters to papers, getting attention on this would drive traffic to the their sites? Are they afraid of being punished by social media and traffic reducing perhaps?

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 28/06/2020 13:10

What I find murkies the waters(and I'm guilty of it myself) is dragging teens ,especially older ones in a discussion about pedophiles.

By definition pedophiles abuse children that are too young in nearly every country to consent to anything. We're talking babies to 11/12 yos max. There's no misunderstandings or confusion there.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 28/06/2020 13:03

@Bookoffacts it wasn't just for sleeping with a 17 yo. That 17 yo didn't meet him in normal circumstances, started a relationship with him etc. That would be bad enough morally. The issue is that that 17 yo was trafficked and forced to have sex/raped.

There's no age of consent to being trafficked/forced into prostitution.

Bookoffacts · 28/06/2020 12:57

@ComeBy

The age of consent and paedophilia are different things.

Both important, and some links.

But paedophilia is sexual attraction to pre pubescent children.

However, we can easily see that the Jensen / Harrop exchange could fuel ‘MAP’ apologists with undeveloped thinking skills.

I don't think it is. For example Prince Andrew has lost his job etc for allegedly sleeping with a 17yo. Yet the song "she was just 17, well you know what I mean" plays on radio. It seems on this thread that 16 is the age of consent? There are real inconsistencies in it all.

Of course paedophilia is disgusting but while we're discussing the late teen years I have always wondered about that one and it seems out of countenance with definitions on this thread.
It also is out of countenance of society (uk) expectations post 15yo,...the amount of my mum friends in real life that expressed disapproval that my then 15,16,17yo DD wasn't 'living it up'..every time I met up with anyone they brought it up.

Siablue · 28/06/2020 12:56

soph88888 I don’t support pedophiles either. What I do care about is the impact that pedophiles trying to piggyback on the LGBT movement is going to have on innocent people. This did happen to my uncle in the 70s and he is an entirely innocent person.

Safeguarding protects everyone not just children. It is not hard to imagine a scenario where innocent people are targeted by vigilantes because they associate being gay with being a pedophile.

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Ginkypig · 28/06/2020 12:43

www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-in-us-cbsn-originals/

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p072qyrb

Just a couple of links but there are much better sources out there I assume.

Sorry I'm not trying to change the direction of the thread. Other countries or cultures have nothing to do with how we as a society decide to view and govern the age of consent, there are plenty of examples from all over the world of different rules most of what I have come across is hugely damaging to the child involved if what the anecdotal evidence of some of these (mostly) women say as adults.

The worst thing for me about this thread is it's not even shocking for me. I should be absolutely aghast at this but instead I'm just feeling the familiar disappointment.

Ginkypig · 28/06/2020 12:32

In a sense, the line is always going to be arbitrary. I always find it jarring reading US sources describing someone having sex with a 17-year-old as a paedophile, and the 17-year-old as a child. Here, it'd be completely legal. Arguably immoral if there's a large age gap or power imbalance, but that'd be equally true were the younger partner 19. Taking a hypothetical country where the age of consent is 15 instead of 16, that shouldn't mean that to a British person, that country promotes paedophilia. It's just a slightly different dividing line

And yet the same country (USA) has legal child marriage in certain states which sex offenders use to marry the victim before they can be convicted of underage sex offences! It has destroyed the lives of young people.
Il just go and see if I can find a link.

ThePankhurstConnection · 28/06/2020 12:26

@Soontobe60

Dr Christian and Adrian Harrop had a Twitter conversation about this. The basic jist was that in some countries sex with what we consider as minors was the norm, and not classed as Pedophelia and that we impose this abritary age on sex. I'll see if I can find it.
Yes I remember this - one can only assume they support the punishment of gay people when it is cultural too? If they don't apply that argument to that then they an't apply it to the abuse of young women either.
ThePurported · 28/06/2020 12:11

It's terrifying how a massive world wide campaign to silence and erase women was quickly piggy backed on by child abusers.
And a lot of that campaign also targets children , safeguarding etc.

I doubt it's a coincidence

uncommongroundmedia.com/the-trojan-unicorn-queer-theory-and-paedophilia-part-i-%EF%BB%BF-dr-em/

The Trojan Unicorn: Queer Theory and Paedophilia, Part I. | Dr Em

"When I see the term ‘queer feminist’ or ‘queer feminism’ I suspect, maybe hope, that those using these descriptors have not done the reading. As the old proverb states ‘the road to hell is lined with good intentions’. I do not believe that all these young woke people, charities, institutions and arts festivals are supportive of rape and paedophilia, of ‘queering’ and transgressing boundaries feminists have worked tirelessly to establish. Age of consent and rape legislation was an important part of first wave feminism's agenda.
Nevertheless, this is what queer theory aims at. As Sarah Beresford has analysed, ‘The term “Queer”… is by definition whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant, and aims to destabilize dominant ideas of identity, whether that identity is sexual, gendered, ethnic, national, and political and so forth’. This sounds liberating and progressive until we remember that ‘the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant’ include the idea that adults should not sexually abuse children. Unnervingly, the reframing of child sexual abuse and liberating of paedophilia from the margins of society is a dominant idea within queer theory. Although it has attempted to cloak itself under the rainbow and harness the energy, good will and gains gay, lesbian and bisexual people have fought for over decades Queer theory is anything but progressive. Indeed, it is totally opposed to same sex attraction. As Professor Alassandra Tanesini outlines, a ‘characteristic trait of queer theory is its opposition to any view that treats sexual orientation as anything other than socially constructed’. Thus, same sex attraction becomes a preference which can be unlearnt or cast as bigoted for being exclusionary. This is homophobia in a shiny new case. Unlike transgender ideology which is underpinned by queer theory, queer theory has key proponents and a body of literature which we may interrogate. This series of essays will first look at the post-modern foundations before moving on to queer theory and paedophilia."

LouHotel · 28/06/2020 12:09

So Kaia Gerber is Cindy Crawfords daughter and the mail started reporting on her around the age of 10 because she is clearly a doppelganger of her mother

2013 - age 11

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2316573/amp/Cindy-Crawfords-daughter-Kaia-Gerber-quite-little-performer-heads-home-play-appearance.html

2018 - age 15
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4066588/amp/Cindy-Crawford-s-daughter-Kaia-Gerber-outshines-fashion-icon-mom-beachy-Christmas.html

It's always stuck out to me as if they were grooming her for public use.

StealthPolarBear · 28/06/2020 11:51

I remember the Charlotte Church stuff and like a pp I assumed that was when it stopped. Urgh.
On a side ote whatever happened to her?

SarahTancredi · 28/06/2020 11:27

You lot pointed this out years ago. We all know who got allowed to remain on twitter and who got booted off.

We all know why no one would touch it too.

Really wish the article would have gone deeper into what has been happening with the invisibility cloaks and feminists.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 28/06/2020 11:11

The age of consent is a red herring. Pedophilia means being attracted to prepubescent children. You'll be hard pressed to find a country with an age of consent so low that it would make it legal or confusing.

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