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Coppafeel breast cancer charity using gender identity language

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Coatandhat · 26/06/2020 11:59

Just spotted this on my email this morning...

Coppafeel breast cancer charity using gender identity language
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Highperbolay · 26/06/2020 18:10

"Biology doesn't define what a woman is"

"The risk of breast cancer is much higher in people who were assigned female at birth" (why were they assigned female at birth? because it was Tuesday?)

Yes, this is a rather large contradiction isn't it?

I'm still cringing at that Venn diagram too.

It's such a shame because it really is a great charity and has raised loads of awareness.

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 17:43

It doesn't make sense even on their own terms.

"Biology doesn't define what a woman is"

"The risk of breast cancer is much higher in people who were assigned female at birth" (why were they assigned female at birth? because it was Tuesday?)

"1 in 7 cisgender women will be affected by breast cancer in their life time". (And people who don't identify as 'cis'?)

The only people they don't mention are people who haven't had surgery or taken hormones, and who don't 'identify' as female - either because they identify as trans or because they don't identify with gender woo.

When are people going to educate themselves about how offensive gender ideology is?

newrubylane · 26/06/2020 17:25

That Venn diagram is enough to put me off them. Your whole job is to inform people about breast cancer and you come up with that...?

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 17:24

It's just wrong.

Nobody assigns anyone a gender at birth, and even if they did it wouldn't have any impact on your chances of getting breast cancer.

Taken at face value, the Venn diagram is saying that some people are assigned female at birth and some are assigned male at birth. A minority are born with breast tissue and they are assigned male and female in equal proportions.

fruitbrewhaha · 26/06/2020 17:23

For a health charity they have a worrying lack of knowledge regarding biology and are incompetent at drawing a Venn diagram.

Neither of which are that difficult really.

Greenandcabbagelooking · 26/06/2020 16:59

My Year 7s could draw a more accurate Venn diagram.

Breast cancer does not care if you wear a skirt or trousers, are called Eric or Ethel, or like pink or blue. Anyone can get breast cancer. It's more common in females. How is that hard to grasp?

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 26/06/2020 16:30

I agree Charley. And hard to reach men are likely to interpret that as "the men who get breast cancer are the ones who identify as women & take hormones, so I don't need to worry".

user1477391263 · 26/06/2020 16:12

And "Coppafeel"--really???

user1477391263 · 26/06/2020 16:12

I don't understand that Venn diagram.

It seems to be saying that the only people who have breast tissue are those who have been assigned male AND assigned female at birth?

Or do I need more caffeine to make sense of it?

CharlieParley · 26/06/2020 16:06

Part of my friend's work involves creating awareness campaigns for various conditions for the NHS. This work includes measuring how the public responds to these campaigns, which groups are hard to reach (typically marginalised and disadvantaged) and what gets the message across to the largest number of people possible.

All of this "gender neutral" bollocks is massively decreasing the effectiveness of health awareness campaigns. This means an increase in preventable deaths.

The bizarre thing is that there is already a tried and tested method of decreasing preventable deaths in hard-to-reach groups - campaigns tailored specifically for that group and carefully targeted at them by taking it directly to those groups.

That could have been done here. There's a reason why it wasn't.

Highperbolay · 26/06/2020 15:50

That shadow photo I posted upthread has also been posted on their Instagram and the original artist of the photo has commented to say thanks - the original artist posted it on her own page on.... International Women's Day. 🙄 She did actually get a bit of pushback on it in the comments and replied with the usual 'not all women have periods, not everyone has XX or XY chromosomes so being a woman has nothing to do with biology' bullshit.

Whhhhhyyyyyyyyy!

HoneysuckIejasmine · 26/06/2020 15:25

That Venn diagram is hilarious - I don't think they know how they work.

Highperbolay · 26/06/2020 15:11

Yeah, whoever made that Venn diagram clearly doesn't understand how Venn diagrams work!

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 26/06/2020 13:39

Breast cancer doesn't care what your gender identity is, so this 'cisgender' talk is very mis-placed.

And oh, look, they compare transwomen to men for the expected rate of cancer - pointing out that it's the hormones that seem to increase the risk, and that mastectomy reduces it.

Christ. How to make a simple thing complicated.

MrsJamin · 26/06/2020 13:22

This is so so disappointing. What a ridiculous thing to say, that being a woman isn't defined by biology! They are talking horseshit for the woke generation and confusing everyone. Also they need to Google "how to make a Venn diagram". Hmm

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 26/06/2020 13:19

The issue I have with this is that if you want to reach most men to educate them about breast cancer this will fail badly.

It is an important topic that is worthy of grown-up langauge.

A sportsman would have better reach.

purplebutterflybiscuits · 26/06/2020 13:18

My undestanding of that diagram is that only the group of people who are assigned BOTH male AND female at birth have breast tissue. Anyone only assigned one or the other gender (everyone??) doesn't have breast tissue???

FatPantsON · 26/06/2020 12:57

It's only one group that have to worry about men people "copping a feel" though eh.

Ragtime69 · 26/06/2020 12:55

I don't understand.. surely everyone is born with breast tissue?

WipeYourFeet · 26/06/2020 12:48

That is all just so confusing!!
I'm GC, but I understand a lot of places mean biologically female when they say AFAB etc. But that Venn diagram has me confused. Confused is my DH just as likely to get breast cancer as me? Is that what it says?

And as for that photo & flowery words about biology doesn't define a woman - well we're back into that How do you define a woman without it being a circular definition thing again. Hmm

OneEpisode · 26/06/2020 12:47

Sorry my bad phone typing again. Thank you ”Highperbolay”, I saw the name, enjoyed it, and my phone autocorrected.,

Whatsnewpussyhat · 26/06/2020 12:45

So underneath the ridiculous diagram is says that one of the risk factors of breast cancer is the 'gender assigned at birth', and yes it looks like they think only a small amount of the population has breast tissue.

OneEpisode · 26/06/2020 12:44

Thanks for posting those screenshots hyper. The third one has “mastectomy, top surgery” included separately in the list. As if they were different operations?

RoyalCorgi · 26/06/2020 12:36

How many people reading that will know what "cisgender" means? It's woeful.

I've always hated the name "Coppafeel" for that charity. I dare say it's a decent enough charity but the name is really childish.

littlbrowndog · 26/06/2020 12:36

OFGS

Messages like this need to be clear. Wha5 is a cisgender woman 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️