PCs suspended over photos of murder scene

ProfessorSlocombe yep half a century ago, but some women are still 'asking for it's.

The lack of press attention is notable given that the perpetrator hasn't been arrested, so there is still a person who killed two women at large.

No obvious motive. No sense that they knew the women who they killed. Actually, a very not typical case of violence towards women, yet it would seem not worthy of much police attention at all.

But yes of course, nothing to do with structural racism, sexism and classism in the police force.

I don't recall this getting much press attention; which is surprising given the dramatic fall in crime during lockdown. It would be newsworthy even for that.

Of course, on reflection, the total balls up from start to finish of the Yorkshire Ripper case was also driven by police views on the victims status (or otherwise). But that was damn near half a century ago.

There was an excellent 3-part BBC documentary about how misogyny plagued the investigation. I seem to recall that "lessons would be learned".

There have been a couple of horrible attacks local to me in the last 2 days. They haven't even made the local news. There is something very unpleasant going on. I know one of the victims. They said the police couldn't have been less interested.

I've been thinking that the media is suppressing more scary/sad news. Not sure if it's paranoia but they seems to be quite a focus on "feel good" stories & glossing over bad news. Not discounting the racism element but a stranger still on the loose who murdered 2 women at once is very unusual.

Stumbled in. Depending on the density of the area, screams and missing persons may not be linked. It’s down to the call taker to make the link based on knowledge of what else is coming in. Reports of screams is very common. It’s down to savvy of the call taker. In a smallish provincial force there may be a thousand plus live incidents at any given time.

In regards to desensitisation and institutional bias - dream on. Ignoring phenomena is desirable.

CheshireChav
I used to feel very uncomfortable at what I saw as snarky / angry / sometimes aggressive, easy to characterise as 'man hating' comments on this board. But sticking around I understood that what I was often looking at were uncompromising and challenging ideas - often uncomfortable but challenging an orthodoxy - and I learnt so much. Especially that the repeated demands that women be kind, accepting and keep quiet about perceived injustice was holding women back in every sphere. It's been a real education on here.
And this awful case deserves sceptical challenge.

Dreadful for all the reasons eloquently stated by PPs. Poor, poor women and their family.

On the issue of the police becoming "de-sensitised" - are there services available to them to address the point at which their stress becomes so great they can no longer do their jobs effectively from both a legal and moral perspective? Genuinely curious.

And in the interests of addressing the institutional biases observed so often, do they regularly have sessions to determine they are still psychologically fit for duty?

Have just read the link to the Mail article, written AT THE TIME reporting screams.

And no link was made to the reports of the missing women?

Have no idea of the Police IT system but you would have throughts reports of screams in a specific area and then a report of 2 mising women in the same are would have warranted a response by the police!

And yet the boyfriend of one of the woman was the only one to go and search.

A petition has been started by a relative. Will post in the petition section of MN as I dont want this thread to be deleted.

Justhadathought policing gatherings is irrelevant to this.

Yes, we have terrible problems of violent crimes,gangs etc in London much of which results directly from young people not trusting the police so 'sorting things out' amongst themselves.

And please don't play the 'this happens to white people too' game.

Yes of course police prejudice and brutality happen to white working class people as well.

It's the fact that the black community are disproportionately targeted that makes racism relevant to these discussions.

Thanks @DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong and @truthisarevolutionaryact. I appreciate your replies.

There have been a couple of horrible attacks local to me in the last 2 days. They haven't even made the local news. There is something very unpleasant going on. I know one of the victims. They said the police couldn't have been less interested.

If we could all admit it when we’ve drawn the wrong conclusion or shared inaccurate information (especially journalists and politicians!) society would be healthier!

We don’t know anything much about the identity or motivations of the murderer or the suspended police officers.

Horrified witnesses described hearing terrifying screams before emergency crews scrambled to Fryent Country Park in Wembley yesterday : www.thesun.co.uk/news/11804681/two-women-dead-north-london/ ( loathe as I am to click on The sun.)

You're insinuating that the women were engaged in an illegal activity

I can see you are determined to twist and manipulate my words to suit your narrative. So there's no point in trying to engage further with you.The point i was making about policing 'gatherings' at this rather febrile time has been lost on you.

Hopefully the murderer can be identified soon. It does seem like a very bizarre crime. Hopefully some witnesses will come forward.

I have asked for this to be deleted as it is not true. I misinterpreted a news article.

Absolutely disgraceful what the two officers did.

But making the whole incident a racism issue I think is dangerous.

Police won't attend immediately a 'missing' person if there are no vulnerabilities e.g child or adult at risk. This would be the same if it were two white sisters.

Even if they did attend to take an initial report there would not be any police coordinated searches immediately.

Absolutely tragic that two young women were killed in this manner but perhaps there's a reason why very little is being reported.

You're insinuating that the women were engaged in an illegal activity.

Are you glad of all the times that the disproportionate attention on black people by the police has exploded in anger in the communities affected

"Play the ball, and not the man"...as the analogy goes.

I note that earlier on you suggested that the women may have been at an illegal gathering. Which was an interesting point to make, to say the least

You are picking and choosing certain paragraphs, out of context, in order to make a particular point. Go back and read that post again, in full. it was about policing in our current unusual and febrile times, and in response to automatic accusations of police toxicity and so on.

Two women have been murdered in a London Park. Several other people have been murdered at other 'illegal' gatherings too ( two men stabbed to death in Manchester last week - at a gathering that the police decided not to disperse for fear of inflaming a situation.

I don't really think there's any thread on MN about a serious subject that couldn't be on the FWR boards. In my experience at the moment it's also a particularly thoughtful place,although that may just be in contrast to a couple of months on Twitter. I feel you're less likely to get a 'support the police, end of' response here.

And saying 'women aren't angels' - that was me. Probably talking to myself. I said I immediately thought of the officers as male, I still think that's most likely, but I'm scared they might not be.

Are you glad of all the times that the disproportionate attention on black people by the police has exploded in anger in the communities affected?

Because that is cause and effect.

I suppose your answer would be that people who know they are being targeted because of their race should smile sweetly and comply.

I note that earlier on you suggested that the women may have been at an illegal gathering. Which was an interesting point to make, to say the least.

Sex and race both may well have played a role. I would say they did on the balance.

I also wonder what the state of their clothing was. I assumed they were stabbed and the bloke (I mean it could have been a woman was anyone surprised it was a bloke) ran away.

Sounds like the two police removed some stuff from the scene as well? I'm sure I read that.

Anyway would they have taken selfies with a dead white man? Impossible to say of course. But just because we don't Know doesn't mean we can't speculate, and based on the things we know grim various sources, discuss what is or is not possible or likely.

If the benefit of the doubt were always given, then sexism and racism would rarely be exposed.

I was sitting in my car outside my home and I was watching a YouTube video. I had actually come outside to have a cigarette. I saw a police van pull up behind me. I thought nothing of this but then could see an officer approaching my car as other officers stood near the van. This officer came up to the driver-side window and asked me what I was doing. I explained that I lived here and pointed to my flat

He added: “This officer said he smelled cannabis and said he wanted to search me and the car. I was shocked by this as the accusation came out of nowhere. I do not smoke cannabis and therefore there is no way the officer could have smelled this. He also pointed to my car, a BMW, and said it was a nice car to be owned by someone like me

Nobody wants to support bad policing...but this account above could have been written about an incident which occurred outside of my home a few months ago. A very similar situation. Suspicion of drugs. Expensive car driven by young man ( they also asked him how come he was driving such a car - a shiny, flash black car of the sort favoured by local gangsters), pulled up/stopped outside my house; several police cars attending. Driver patted down.

The driver actually knocked at our door, and asked if we'd be witnesses to both himself and his car being searched. He was white.

I'm sure sometimes police officers do stop and search because they are down on numbers for the day, but I'm glad of all of the times when they do stop and search and a major/minor gangster is arrested.

Of course it was horrendously wrong but police are more or less desensitised due to what horrifc things they deal with on a day to day basis .
I don't think it was racially motivated .