Jolyon Maugham 'proud to be working with Mumsnet'

not really.

He did indeed batter a fox to death with a baseball bat and joke about it on Twitter. Whatever the legality of it, there's no getting away from what he did.

JM's latest pronouncements today have determined misgendering as hate speech - no hyperbole or OTT hysteria there at all, no siree.

Will James Felton twitter shame him? Nah.

He's a total peni

A fox got trapped in the henhouse fencing. You aren't supposed to let it go or relocate it.

In typical lawyer fashion he has somewhat misrepresented the law there and I'm surprised the RSPCA swallowed it.

This applies to foxes that have been trapped. As in laying an actual trap and capturing the animal. It certainly isn't in the spirit of the law to apply this to an animal that got tangled in the netting.

@Pigeonfaces not really. A fox got trapped in the henhouse fencing. You aren't supposed to let it go or relocate it. It's not unreasonable, though not what I would have done. I suspect it's what a farmer would have done.

RSPCA investigated and decided it was done swiftly and without causing the fox further suffering.

He battered an animal to death and then joked about it. I am aghast that Mumsnet would work with him.

Yes it’s fine to accept that we’ll agree with some people about some things but not others - but this? Killing an animal for fun puts him utterly beyond the pale in my view.

Would Mumsnet work with him if he’d battered a dog to death and joked about it?

I think it’s sad. A union was going to support a large number of women with employment issues but didn’t because of a pile on about Mumsnet’s “transphobia”. Maybe Jolyon can point out to them that differences can be put aside for good causes.

You are just used to the other sides ‘wrong think! They said something vaguely anti xyz in 1972 so should be flogged!’ approach to debate.

Am I missing something? Another thread? A different discussion elsewhere?

How does raising an eyebrow at the fact that someone has gone from berating MN to being “proud” to work with them equate in any way, shape or form to “cancelling” him?

I can’t see any posts here saying that MN shouldn’t be working with him...

True. As an aside - how does he say his name?

It's crazy how different the responses men get, isn't it?

Eh? What’s happening? He’s no lover of Mumsnet.

It’s the heat- it’s making people squirrely.

That would be the case for a woman, or an organisation terrified of attracting the "transphobia" label, but he's a woke bloke and even the bonkers activists know who they had best not attack.

This has been up all day:

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1276066001252204544

3 replies. If you ignore the sarcastic one masquerading as a TRA, there's no criticism.

munches popcorn

It’s a worthwhile campaign, undoubtedly he’s probably going to pull support after a twitter pile on making him look further hostile to women or he will stand by mumsnet - win all round in my book.

If we (rightly) have no patience with cancel culture, then that needs to extend both ways - no?

Yes, that- especially on such an important issue.

@MrsWednesdayteatime that could be it, actually. Remember Boris's peculiar love for buses?

I know nothing about his other views, but lots of people are (in my view) wrong on trans ideology, but perfectly sensible (or even great) on other issues.

Agreed.

If we (rightly) have no patience with cancel culture, then that needs to extend both ways - no? I think he's been a complete tool on this issue, and appalling to Maya Forstater in a range of ways. But this is a hugely important issue, harming a lot of single mothers, and the man's a QC. So I'm all for his supporting Gingerbread and Mumsnet over it.

Well, that's exciting.

RiotAndAlarum yes another poster pointed it out after I had posted. I'm normally quite good at identifying sarcasm on the internet but clearly failed on this occasion! Lesson learned!

I definitely don't want him cancelled by mumsnet or anyone else. I cannot see any reason to want to. I think it is a positively good thing that he wants to partner with mumsnet even though he disagrees with some posters. I know nothing about his other views, but lots of people are (in my view) wrong on trans ideology, but perfectly sensible (or even great) on other issues.

Is this some sort of misguided attempt at reputational rehab by the fox botherer?

Where’s my popcorn?

Well, one of the things I've taken from this whole debacle is that people should be free to go about their employment without being cross-examined regarding their ideological purity in totally unrelated political/moral matters.

I personally may think that Maughan is a complete tit on many issues, but he is (by all accounts) a bloody good QC, so if he can get a result on this one, I'm all in favour of using his professional skills.