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Baroness Nicholson 'cancelled' by Booker board

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BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 25/06/2020 08:21

They will not rest until every disobedient woman is purged from society.

www.thebookseller.com/news/booker-prize-nicholson-barr-1207926

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Goosefoot · 26/06/2020 12:54

@merrymouse

This is odd from Sarah Perry:

I would also add there is a world of difference between someone merely holding views, and someone in a position of power affirming those views publicly and irresponsibly and with no regard for distress caused to individuals or disrepute brought on an institution

You can hold views, but you can't express them?

(And I'm still not sure which views Baroness Nicholson is supposed to have affirmed?)

There's a gap there with regard to understanding how voting in Parliament is supposed to work. As in, what it's for. I'd expect someone sitting in either House would be perfectly nice and civil to people in their personal life, but making major decisions about social institutions means you really are meant to be serious about it and say whet you think it best and right at a totally different level.
Helmetbymidnight · 26/06/2020 12:53

dawkins has back-tracked before tho hasnt he?
i dont doubt he knows what he is but get the i cant be arsed vibe from him.

JemimaShore · 26/06/2020 12:49

I refuse to believe that Dawkins buys into trans ideology - he must be able to see it for the belief system it is.

LouHotel · 26/06/2020 12:40

Richard Dawkins has retweeted the times article, TRA pile on has begun.

SerenityNowwwww · 26/06/2020 12:22

The thing is - everyone has worked with someone like that.

Opinionated, bossy, head girl, queen bee, top dog, bully... whatever you call them, these people tend to strut around as if they are Very Important and are the only ones with relevant opinions - and make damn sure everyone knows about it.

Generally (I have found) they are definitely the empty vessel that makes all the noise, and people breathe a sigh of relief when they leave. Even people you thought were their number 1 cheerleader/knew them to be shagging in the post room behind their wives back.

Why? For an easy life, don’t want to be the ‘one’ who says anything against a ‘popular’ person, don’t want a fight, don’t really care enough to get into a debate, fear of being the next target. Some people are just horrible in their own right and agree.

Thankfully I have worked long enough to see that what goes around comes around in 99% of the cases. Sometimes you just have to wait a long time for the universe to level out.

Divoc2020 · 26/06/2020 12:16

I actually got a mailing about Damian Barr's Salon LIVE event tonight!
(Will be telling him where he can stick it)
www.theliterarysalon.co.uk/get-tickets/douglas-stuart-and-damian-barr-shuggie-bain

If it wasn't for the fact that I'd be giving him £5 I think I'd be joining to just keep asking for answers to all the questions he avoided on twitter by hiding away during the storm he created.

However they have asked for questions for his guest:

Although we still can't be at The Savoy you can join us tomorrow online! We'd love to hear what questions you'd like Douglas to answer. Email anything you've always wanted to ask or questions about Douglas' debut novel for a high chance of hearing them answered tomorrow!*⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀

SEND YOUR QUESTIONS : [email protected]
(poor Megan...she says her favourite book is 1984 - George Orwell !)
I wonder how all his female staff feel about this?

I remember he had a job advertised a few months ago as a Business Development Manager and there was a line that stood out for me about "sharing diverse ideology" or something which I found a bit Hmm

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 12:08

@Needmoresleep

@ Lamahaha you will probably find that MN decide copying whole articles breaches copyright and remove your post.

Better to ask that it be removed and ask if anyone has a share token.

I was afraid of that. OK, I'll ask here: anyone got a share token? I'm going to report it.
Needmoresleep · 26/06/2020 12:02

@Lamahaha

Needmoresleep · 26/06/2020 12:02

@ Lamahaha you will probably find that MN decide copying whole articles breaches copyright and remove your post.

Better to ask that it be removed and ask if anyone has a share token.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/06/2020 11:51

That's an excellent article, Lamaha, thanks for linking.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/06/2020 11:48

Quite interesting looking at Damian Barr's Twitter. He's not quite getting the unadulterated applause he was hoping for. Some people are making some very sensible points about 'cancelling' people. Men, too, so he might even listen.

I'm disgusted that a writer would launch a campaign to silence someone with different views. Utterly aghast. It is genuinely chilling that anyone thinks cancelling someone due to their perfectly legally held views is something to be celebrated.

I don't know much about the ins and outs of the vote on gay marriage. I understand it wasn't universally supported, for various reasons. But to think that someone who voted against it should be hounded like this is madness.

Of course, it's only this particular peer that's being hounded. I wonder why that is?

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 11:38

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AbsintheFriends · 26/06/2020 11:29

I would like to tell Sarah Perry that her views that women must cede their rights to self-definition and single sex spaces cause me distress. And therefore she must not express them publicly.

Or is it only a particular view that must not be expressed publicly? Because that sounds somewhat at odds with the principle of freedom of speech, and surely no liberal author would be in favour of that.

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/06/2020 11:21

Can you copy and paste @Lamahaha?

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 11:15

Has this Times article been posted yet? Sorry -- I haven't mastered the art of the share token.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weve-got-to-reject-the-intolerance-of-woke-warriors-s93wzvpw9?fbclid=IwAR2IJIAEfW6f3CBAgClCCeRc4Owls7K-fgjFEIg0-2wVkBwi1Emavy59CJ8

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 11:07

What does she mean by 'affirming views' - voting?

Is the assumption that anyone who voted against gay marriage must be assumed to have renounced their views, or be banned from public life?

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 11:02

This is odd from Sarah Perry:

I would also add there is a world of difference between someone merely holding views, and someone in a position of power affirming those views publicly and irresponsibly and with no regard for distress caused to individuals or disrepute brought on an institution

You can hold views, but you can't express them?

(And I'm still not sure which views Baroness Nicholson is supposed to have affirmed?)

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 11:00

Do we really need to do a values assessment for every senior post holder. And who decides who passes the test?

The Bookers Prize should really start on this now - it's going to be a long job and they will need their lawyers to advise on how their new policy interacts with rules against religious discrimination. They will need to check all past winners and judges, with particular attention to anyone with links to the C of E - e.g. went to a C of E school, shook hands with the Queen etc.

It's going to be a long job, and they might have to postpone announcing the prize for a few years, but at least they can be sure of their principles!

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/06/2020 10:52

Journalists no longer bother digging for news. They look on Twitter.

lionheart · 26/06/2020 10:38

Beyond re-education redemption.

Abraid2 · 26/06/2020 10:26

[quote Waferbiscuit]@abraid2 what Damian Barr fails to realise is that an MP voting against same sex marriage based on her religious beliefs really isn't a personal slight against him.

Do we really need to do a values assessment for every senior post holder. And who decides who passes the test?[/quote]
Exactly.

FantaOra · 26/06/2020 10:24

Vicious obviously.

lionheart · 26/06/2020 10:24

Here's what else she is doing to stand up for women and girls:

Baroness Nicholson
@Baroness_Nichol

'The AMAR Foundation I founded in 1991 took up the Yazidi cause as the murderers rampaged in June 2014.We care for 75,000 Yazidi girls and women now in dismal camps,giving life,hope,health,learning to the suicidal raped girls.Can you support my work?'
@AMARLondon

FantaOra · 26/06/2020 10:23

He's written this...

@Damian_Barr
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24 Jun
theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/24/authors-call-for-removal-of-emma-nicholson-booker-prize-foundation-over-homophobic-views

The Booker Prizes have done so much to celebrate writers and support readers. All their good work is being undone by their continued support for this person who is dragging them through the mud and behaving in a way that would get anyone else fired.

I'm pretty sure he's the one dragging someone through the mud here. What a nasty man, steer clear of him, he's viscous.