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Baroness Nicholson 'cancelled' by Booker board

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BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 25/06/2020 08:21

They will not rest until every disobedient woman is purged from society.

www.thebookseller.com/news/booker-prize-nicholson-barr-1207926

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AskDan · 27/06/2020 07:02

Sorry .. I did skim RTFT but I couldn't see it.

What would be the best way to contact the Booker prize?

chipperfish · 26/06/2020 23:36

So can we make a list for DB of prominent and currently serving MPs, Lords and people in public life that DB wants to retrospectively punish and have censured for voting against same sex marriage seven years ago? or for their actions over section 28 and its reforms?
I suspect it will be a fair list for him to get through, and wonder whether he will attack the task with the same zeal as he showed in his enthusiasm for having the Baroness smeared and 'cancelled

7Days · 26/06/2020 22:37

Oh my gosh, Amar's story.
A scarred war orphan, who was rescued as far as any human can rescue another, and who finally got to meet his mother and brother again.

My God. The world is full of unimaginable suffering. And people who actually help. Some people do make the world a better place.

terryleather · 26/06/2020 17:52

Both DB and Munroe Bergdorf will have semis from the drama, and will be secretly or outwardly titillated by the fact that they had enough friends in high places to rally around for this woman to be ousted. This is about them and their power, profile and careers, not about the issue itself.

This. 99% of the TA/Genderist stuff is a power play.

RoseOfDawn has an interesting youtube vid about MB and their modus operandi...

maudavery · 26/06/2020 17:42

I'm sure stonewall were opposed to, or ambivalent, towards gay marriage 10 years ago. So was Barack Obama. And so was
Hillary Clinton initially.

Douglas Murray writes about this in the Madness of Crowds and Nicky Morgan's
U - turn on it

JemimaShore · 26/06/2020 17:03

You can take a screenshot, Lamahaha, and then upload it like a photo. How you do that depends what device you're on.

SerenityNowwwww · 26/06/2020 17:02

Take a screenshot and attach it into a post?

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 16:57

How does one get the image of a tweet from twitter, to post here? Sorry, I'm a tech dinosaur but always willing to learn.

Cuntysnark · 26/06/2020 16:28

Rogdmum. Another sniveller.

SerenityNowwwww · 26/06/2020 16:11

Or have a mother or mother in law (or even aunties or granny). Or female friends or acquaintances...

boatyardblues · 26/06/2020 15:37

@Lamahaha

I’m a middle aged woman with no daughters,

You have son(s)? You might have granddaughters one day!

I have one daughter and two granddaughter and for them I must fight on. Also another one on the way, could be another girl.
But I get that some people are just so exhausted they want to give up. It's two steps forward, one back sometimes.

Yes, or want a female carer to do your personal care in your dotage. We all have skin in the game in perpetuity.
Dreeple · 26/06/2020 15:26

I had never heard of the Baroness before she said things about gender. Now I follow her on Twitter.

The same may apply to many people like me, especially since her “sacking” made the papers.

Waferbiscuit · 26/06/2020 15:25

I say it again but this whole thing is about power not about change.

Both DB and Munroe Bergdorf will have semis from the drama, and will be secretly or outwardly titillated by the fact that they had enough friends in high places to rally around for this woman to be ousted. This is about them and their power, profile and careers, not about the issue itself.

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 15:10

[quote rogdmum]Has anyone posted this? Not directly relevant but someone on Twitter dug it up and I remember the story when it happened- just hadn’t connected the Baroness of today to it!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/WkiLgbPpdd/boy-in-the-photo[/quote]
So very moving! Thanks for posting this.

Igneococcus · 26/06/2020 14:58

I see Disgusted of Manchester got the memo about claiming "nobody has ever said sex isn't real".

Helmetbymidnight · 26/06/2020 14:15

(The Times article, I mean)

Helmetbymidnight · 26/06/2020 14:15

I can see Fox is going nuts about this on twitter. Apparently The Times got the pronouns wrong. Jolyon is upset too (natch)

SerenityNowwwww · 26/06/2020 14:10

Well thank you rogdmum, I’m sat here snivelling like a right idiot. 😢

poppyfieldsinmay · 26/06/2020 13:26

with no regard for distress caused to individuals or disrepute brought on an institution

And there you go. That view from Sarah P summarises all that is wrong with current culture. It is not what you say that matters, but how it makes people feel. It doesn't matter how your express your view, what reasons you have for your view, what evidence you have for your view, what dictates whether you should speak is how it may make someone feel.
(unless the person with feelings is a woman, in which case carry on saying what you like).

rogdmum · 26/06/2020 13:22

Has anyone posted this? Not directly relevant but someone on Twitter dug it up and I remember the story when it happened- just hadn’t connected the Baroness of today to it!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/WkiLgbPpdd/boy-in-the-photo

JemimaShore · 26/06/2020 13:20

Dawkins probably wouldn't care too much about the women's rights angle, but he's a free speech proponent, isn't he?

Some of the "hate speech" / "no crime hate crime" stuff is dangerously close to heresy and blasphemy laws of old.

Also I would've thought he would care about children being told they were born in the wrong body, just because they play with the wrong toys, or have a feeling in their head, and need life long medication and surgery to "fix" it.

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 13:20

Twitter thread by author Jane Harris, one of the few non-big-name writers speaking up, about Booker trustees who have NOT been cancelled in spite of "problematic" opinions.

twitter.com/blablafishcakes/status/1276123610101538816

CaraDune · 26/06/2020 13:00

@RoyalCorgi

The Times article is very good. I also saw a sympathetic tweet from David Aaronovitch this morning - Times writers seem generally to be more switched on than those of other newspapers.

Dawkins knows gender ideology is nonsense. I think he's probably been wary of speaking out in the past. It's probably bad enough receiving hate mail for expressing atheist views, without receiving hate for not subscribing to gender ideology.

One would hope as an evolutionary biologist he'd know the difference between the sex which produces the small, mobile gametes and the one which produces the large, immobile gametes... Grin

(Interestingly, the TRAs don't seem to have edited the wikipedia page on anisogamy yet... still give it time. The day is young.)

LouHotel · 26/06/2020 12:57

I wasnt sure if he's already dipped his toe in, why one earth would he not say something.

I'm steadily get more and more pissed off by scientist who have a strong platform not saying anything - if he came out in support of biological reality then he would give shelter for 100's of scientists to be able to publish and critically think publicly.

RoyalCorgi · 26/06/2020 12:56

The Times article is very good. I also saw a sympathetic tweet from David Aaronovitch this morning - Times writers seem generally to be more switched on than those of other newspapers.

Dawkins knows gender ideology is nonsense. I think he's probably been wary of speaking out in the past. It's probably bad enough receiving hate mail for expressing atheist views, without receiving hate for not subscribing to gender ideology.