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Fact Check??? Pink news on crazy pills.

60 replies

Ginnyhip46 · 24/06/2020 02:48

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/channel-4-news-jk-rowling-itn-transphobia-trans-women-men-fact-check-pinknews/

Words fail me.

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Datun · 24/06/2020 10:08

Maybe I didn't expect them to be quite as open about it.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/06/2020 10:02

But having been found out, I didn't think that they would be coming across as quite this batty. Both the frothing rage at JKR, and the cringe propaganda in the media.

I must be some sort of radfem Nostradamus, because I did. This is exactly how I expected them to react.

Datun · 24/06/2020 09:59

It's like Catch-22, isn't it? Any man can apply, but as soon as they say they want to apply, they're not a man.

I remember Theresa May at some pink news award, standing up and talking about GRA reforms.

I can't imagine a single politician ever giving these people the time of day now.

They have absolutely lost the plot.

We always knew that transactivists had absolutely nothing in their arsenal. There Is no coherent argument whatsoever.

But having been found out, I didn't think that they would be coming across as quite this batty. Both the frothing rage at JKR, and the cringe propaganda in the media.

EmpressLangClegSpartacus · 24/06/2020 09:57

How many people are rejected for GRCs by the process and for what reason?

Well, if a transman giving birth isn’t an example of them not ‘living as a man’ I don’t know what is.

Apollo440 · 24/06/2020 08:58

How many people are rejected for GRCs by the process and for what reason? I seem to remember that the answer was 'interesting' and not at all supportive of self id (men were abusing the system so how more wouldn't do so under a free for all is anyones guess).

FloralBunting · 24/06/2020 08:48

You can almost smell the narc rage spilling off the page. How many more spluttering, obsessed articles do you think PN will churn out?

merrymouse · 24/06/2020 08:37

Neither C4 nor JKR denied that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is required.

The word 'cis' is not mentioned in any legislation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/06/2020 08:31

The poll at the same time as the GRA consultation, let's be clear.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/06/2020 08:30

But that's not what it says
70% of the public responding..."

I agree, and I would think that apparently clumsy wording is deliberate, to strengthen the suggestion that 70% of the whole public agrees with GRA self ID, when in fact their 2018 poll suggests that only 19% of the population do.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 24/06/2020 08:29

'humiliating', 'medicalised'

Do men not realise, that even when completely healthy, a lot (possibly even most) see a doctor once or twice a year their whole lives?

When I was under 20, it was for the pill every 3-6 months (depending on how easy going the doctor was about re-prescribing) - not bad, but a hassle, bloodpressure, and a chat.

Then once you hit 21, it's a smear test every couple of years, still the pill appointments. Then perhaps you get pregnant, and all dignity is chucked out of the window. Perhaps it's quiet for a few years, just the smears, maybe still the pill, then you hit 50 and the mammograms kick in too.

We're continuously poked and prodded for our own good - I wonder if this is another case of TW being treated as W and thinking that they're getting some kind of especially bad treatment, when actually it's entirely normal.

On that subject, I just signed up with a new GP realising it had been too long since my last smear, and thinking it was about time I had my boobs checked. On the phone I matter of factly said my weight, and described myself as morbidly obese (we were talking about general health). She was horrified - told me to never describe myself that way, that it wasn't useful. I was stunned. Every (male) doctor I've ever had, for almost any appointment I've ever had from veruccas to chest infections has included a lecture about my weight. I'm actually looking forward to getting thoughtful care that goes beyond 'you should lose weight, that'll help it' and actually listens to the problem rather than seeing a tubby middle-aged mother and making assumptions.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/06/2020 08:16

It's dense in the sense of being dense in actual content, which presumably comes as a bit of a shock to those used to reading and producing reams of waffly, content free essays where you could have easily summarized 1000 words in 10.

TedsFederationRep · 24/06/2020 08:13

In a dense essay, Rowling expressed the view...

I read what JKR had written and it was like listening to an old friend who had finally found the courage to open up. It was clear, direct, honest and really quite moving.

Only the especially dense could dismiss it as "a dense essay". Unless they meant "full of substance", which of course it was...

Xanthangum · 24/06/2020 07:55

JK: Men become trans women

PN: No! Trans women become trans women. Who are actual women.

Channel 4 Fact Check: Actually, she's right

PN: YOU GUYS ARE MEAN. Also, here is someone with an -ology who agrees with us, so ner.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/06/2020 07:23

The report concluded that Rowling’s claim is factually accurate

But it's wrong because feelings! Emotions! We are very offended that science refuses to consistently bend to our collective wills!

Pink News is to journalism as McDonalds is to a nutritious, healthy meal. Basically the media equivalent of the shit Famine produces in Good Omen that will make you fat while you die of malnutrition.

BovaryX · 24/06/2020 07:07

But a cis man can not do this

Er, where's the evidence to support this? Self ID means any man can do this, were he so inclined.

Channel 4 News missed the point when assessing the validity of JK Rowling’s views.By fact-checking this statement and saying it is accurate, the report runs the risk of being wielded by anti-trans groups

So fact checking us wrong and reporting the results of the fact check is wrong? This is a demand to silence reporting of facts. That isn't journalism. It's propaganda.

BelleHathor · 24/06/2020 07:02

shaking my head

SunsetBeetch · 24/06/2020 06:45

(I'm seriously beginning to think that Pink News is ratcheting up the craziness on purpose, as the only people who give them clicks these days are us.)

SunsetBeetch · 24/06/2020 06:42

Archived version - don't give Pink News the ad revenue generated from clicks!

archive.vn/9VOLi

StealthPolarBear · 24/06/2020 06:37

But that's not what it says
"70% of the public responding..."

EmpressLangClegSpartacus · 24/06/2020 06:33

This sounds highly unlikely to me. 7 in 10 of the entire population responded to the reform of the GRA consultation?

Nope. Of the responses they got, 70% were in favour of self-ID, BUT they also recognised that an awful lot of those were template replies from Stonewall & friends.

When you think that on one side there was the TRA juggernaut with all its resources, and on the other a bunch of grassroots feminist groups that had to spring up from nowhere, crowdfund & hand out leaflets etc in our spare time to fight the GRA reforms, we did a bloody good job to even get 30%.

StealthPolarBear · 24/06/2020 06:24

"
Instead, sources told The Sunday Times, despite an overwhelming 70 per cent of the public responding to a government consultation on introducing self-identification, ministers are choosing to ignore public views altogether."
This sounds highly unlikely to me. 7 in 10 of the entire population responded to the reform of the GRA consultation?

CourtneyLurve · 24/06/2020 06:14

With the crucial difference here being that a trans woman is not a man, they are a woman, and a cis man is not a trans woman, they are a man.

What?? LOL, I don't even think they know what they're arguing anymore.

StruggleAgainstReality · 24/06/2020 05:36

This has got to be satire.

In any case, if I accept that a woman is now "anyone who identifies as a woman" [I'm not sure how one can accept a statement that has no meaning, but leaving aside the absurdity of it for now...], and "identifying as a woman" means conforming to feminine stereotypes [because what else can it mean if biology doesn't come into it], then I guess I'm not a woman. Which means they're going to have to come up with a new word for non-woman females like me. Or... here's an idea... perhaps we could just keep the old word, and the people trying to redefine it could use a different word for themselves instead.

WombOfOnesOwn · 24/06/2020 05:25

Graham Linehan should consider doing it to prove a point.

Coyoacan · 24/06/2020 03:54

I think it is another case where we need to the sorting hat. It never fails