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GeraltOfRivia · 23/06/2020 17:31

I replied to Amnesty in relation the assertion that:

"The reality is that men who abuse women already have plenty of existing opportunities to do so."

In the context that this means that opening women's spaces will have no impact as, hey, women are already attacked.

Their response...

"Our policy on transgender rights is not going to change. My colleague provided you with plenty of examples that back up our position that self-identification is no threat to women’s rights. If you choose not to accept that, we are just going to have to agree to disagree." And then saying that if I provide details they'll remove me from their database so I don't get asked to donate.

So there you go. They will most definitely prioritise this issue over women's concerns.

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SunsetBeetch · 24/06/2020 16:10

Organisations whose funding relies on accepting TWAW state that they have had no problems with TW. Hmn. Well we know other places around the world definitely HAVE.

SerenityNowwwww · 24/06/2020 15:40

S/He is a right Charlie isn’t s/he?

GeraltOfRivia · 24/06/2020 14:57

Is it weird to feel a little exposed now? May have a bit of a change of username and email address!

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GeraltOfRivia · 24/06/2020 14:55

That's their email.

That's the first tweet: twitter.com/pigeonponders/status/1275766413224038402?s=21

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SirVixofVixHall · 24/06/2020 14:53

I have a friend who has raised thousands for Amnesty, I am going to send her the info here.

SunsetBeetch · 24/06/2020 14:21

What were the 'examples' that Amnesty provided? Intrigued as to how they were able to prove a negative...

GeraltOfRivia · 24/06/2020 13:12

I bottled Twitter last night. But I've remembered that I have a ProtonMail account so will update my twitter account to use that then I can post and choose to ignore if I get abuse / anyone stupid can't get any info. This should t need to be done!

Why should I have to worry about risk of actual attack just to try and bring bullshit to the fore. Everyone who has come to this before me is so l genuinely amazing.

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contactusdeletus · 24/06/2020 00:51

Another shitty response from Amnesty. They amaze me. They really don't give a fuck about women, do they? And yet they think we're so socialized to put other people ahead of ourselves that we'll just put up with this, shut our mouths, and keep giving them our money.

Well, not me. I donated to Amnesty every month for the last ten years. They've had literally hundreds out of my pocket. But when I saw that godawful response to a complaint posted here, I emailed them to withdraw my support, and let them know why I was doing it too.

Hit them where it hurts.

JellySlice · 23/06/2020 22:34

My colleague provided you with plenty of examples that back up our position that self-identification is no threat to women’s rights.

Watch this: U*

These Are Not Our Crimes.

LucretiaBourgeois · 23/06/2020 22:20

So Amnesty is saying that refugee men, and African men, are a threat to women (as documented) but British men aren't? Sounds like Amnesty is racist as fuck.

My colleague provided you with plenty of examples that back up our position that self-identification is no threat to women’s rights.

I'd love to see those examples. How can you prove a negative with examples? "I'll see your list of self-id male abusers and I'll raise you an example of someone who wasn't an abuser. QED"?

OldCrone · 23/06/2020 22:02

Thanks for those links Tickle.

I'd like to see an explanation from Amnesty about why they view the safety of women and girls so differently depending on where they are located.

Women and girls in the UK:
"We dispute any assertion that self-identification will be used by men in order to access spaces where women are vulnerable to abuse or harassment. There is absolutely no evidence that this would happen... The reality is that men who abuse women already have plenty of existing opportunities to do so."

Women and girls in refugee camps:
“At a minimum, this would include setting up single sex, well-lit toilet facilities and separate safe sleeping areas."
www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/women-refugees-face-assault-exploitation-and-sexual-harassment-journeying-through

Schoolgirls in Malawi:
...many girls report that meeting their basic bodily needs while at school, whether in a nearby field or a communal latrine, exposes them to bullying, harassment and sexual assault. Both male students and teachers are reported as perpetrators in several qualitative studies
www.amnestyusa.org/how-toilets-can-make-schools-safer/

Schoolgirls worldwide (excluding the UK):
Ensure that schools have sex-segregated toilets and washrooms
www.amnesty.org/en/documents/act77/008/2007/en/
www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/60000/act770232007en.pdf

TickleMeElbow · 23/06/2020 21:31

Pdf from amnesty USA

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TickleMeElbow · 23/06/2020 21:28

www.amnestyusa.org/how-toilets-can-make-schools-safer/

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TickleMeElbow · 23/06/2020 21:20

Dear Mr Man,

May I ask why Amnesty international believes that refugee men are dangerous to women and therefore advocates for single sex provisions?

Is it because you believe male refugees to be more dangerous than British men or have you been reeducated to believe those refugee women looking for single sex provisions are hateful bigots?

One woman told Amnesty that in a reception centre in Germany some refugee men would watch women as they went to the bathroom. Some women took extreme measures such as not eating or drinking to avoid having to go to the toilet where they felt unsafe.

“If this humanitarian crisis was unfolding anywhere else in the world we would expect immediate practical steps to be taken to protect groups most at risk of abuse, such as women travelling alone and female-headed families.

“At a minimum, this would include setting up single sex, well-lit toilet facilities and separate safe sleeping areas. These women and their children have fled some of the world’s most dangerous areas and it is shameful that they are still at risk on European soil

www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/women-refugees-face-assault-exploitation-and-sexual-harassment-journeying-through

FreeKitties · 23/06/2020 20:57

Link it here when you’ve done it and we can retweet it too.

It’s interesting to see just how much the tide is starting to turn now that this has really hit the public eye, and almost hilarious to see the male entitlement and narcissism at play when people start saying ‘hang on you can’t do that’.

The easiest way to judge a man’s character is to tell him “No”.

SerenityNowwwww · 23/06/2020 19:20

I saw a smart thing (here I think) where someone copied something similar and added wording about ‘and if my details gets ‘leaked’ I will GDPR the arse off your.

GeraltOfRivia · 23/06/2020 18:57

@boatyardblues

Just remember to blank out identifying details in your email so you aren’t doxxed.
Good shout, I'll be careful.
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EverardDigby · 23/06/2020 18:19

As someone who experienced male abuse for the first 30 years of my life, which, unsurprisingly has shaped everything else, I find this shocking. For most of my 20s I couldn't even sit next to a man I didn't know on a bus or in the cinema without feeling complete panic. There's no way I would have been able to do anything in which I was vulnerable with a male-bodied person present. But Amnesty clearly doesn't give a shit about abused girls and women like me. Great.

Detroitde · 23/06/2020 18:11

I used to have such respect for Amnesty. Such utter disregard for women's lives and safety.

boatyardblues · 23/06/2020 18:10

Just remember to blank out identifying details in your email so you aren’t doxxed.

GeraltOfRivia · 23/06/2020 18:10

Great. Once the kids are asleep I'll see what I can do!

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Kit19 · 23/06/2020 18:07

Yes you need ti @ them. Sonia poulton was good on the body shop stuff so her, the baroness, Kathleen stock, Julie bindel, Jessica Taylor maybe

FreeKitties · 23/06/2020 18:05

Yes tag everyone you can

GeraltOfRivia · 23/06/2020 18:01

I do have a Twitter account but I'm pretty clueless. I shall try and investigate properly! What's the best way to get it seen. Tag some of the people I follow on this subject?

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SerenityNowwwww · 23/06/2020 17:59

So ask them what data they hold on you under GDPR and request it all be deleted (but that you are added to a block list so that you never hear from them again).

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