Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

It's 4 years to next election, apart from those loyalists who'd vote a dustbin if it was standing for Labour or Tory, how would anyone know who'd they vote?

I'd be hesitant to vote Tory after 10 years of sheer incompetence and i'd struggle to vote Boris Johnson to be PM (good chance he'll be out before then).

It's not only the left's attitude to women that has alienated me, it's the authoritarianism.
I grew up in the height of the Cold War so I always knew the tendency was there but, to my shame, l let it go because I wasn't on the sharp end of it. Well now I've had my comeuppance and it's hard to convey how disturbing I've found it. It has shaken me to the core and made me question everything I used to believe.

Dances

Yes, thanks for that princess. The net sum of Labour getting in is that this will be introduced. Men identifying as women, walking about my gym changing room. Thanks for calling me stupid. I have been seriously abused and assaulted. I get pushed down in favour of other 'good causes'.

That's ok though as long as the righteous feel good about themselves

*So from the feminist angle, their stopping males in to female areas is less important than the welfare state? So I have to get my tits out for the good of the country, is that the case?

Good to know.*

Or my teenage daughter having to huddle in a corner trying to hide her body from a perve in a swim changing room (competitive swimmer). Nah. I won't let my daughter go through what I went through, the shame of having to expose myself in front of naked men. Willing to risk pretty much everything to protect my daughter.

Looks like women's privacy isn't that important after all.

So women have to derobe in front of males because the Tories fucked up Covid?

Why are women always at the back of the queue? And pushed back by people who tell us it's for the good, even when we have to get our kit off, traumatised or not.

Britain's high death toll from Covid was not inevitable. Italy warned us, Germany and South Korea showed us how it could be contained. Lockdown was always supposed to be a temporary measure to get numbers under control and provide time to implement track and trace (which still isn't properly in place).

And I have voted Conservative once in the past but this shower of incompetent charlatans? No.

My thoughts exactly.

So from the feminist angle, their stopping males in to female areas is less important than the welfare state? So I have to get my tits out for the good of the country, is that the case?

Good to know.

No. Looking at this purely from a feminist angle, even if they were rock solid on women's sex based protections, which they are not, deliberately eroding the welfare state and support services disproportionately affects women. They have spent the last decade trying and will continue to try to transfer lots of functions previously provided at a societal level to women's unpaid labour. They would have to have a very significant change of approach for this not to be the case, to the extent that I don't see it as a realistic possibility.

But it's better to vote for parties that compel abused women to get naked in front of males though? Cos we are right at the top of the dungheap aren't we?

No. As a widowed mum i don't think I'd vote for a party with a leader who described the children of single mothers as "ill raised, ignorant and aggressive" when in his 30s. Plus all his racist comments "picanninies" etc. Plus brexit.

No. But there isn't anyone else I'd vote for either. Total shower all round.

I take some heart from the fact that many grass roots supporters in the Lib Dems, Labour and even the Greens (especially older members who had probably not thought too deeply about the issue before now) will be reviewing their opinions of the party line, and examining any proposals at their respective conferences much more closely.

God no. They've done quite enough damage already!!

I'm a floating voter - voted for all of the main parties during different general elections. Yours is an interesting question OP. If all of the other parties are intent of demolishing women's rights in favour for the trans-community and the Conservatives are the only party who won't/don't amend women's rights as they currently stand, as a woman I would find it difficult to consider voting for the other parties.

I note a lot of PPs comment about the governments handling of the pandemic and how the other parties may have dealt with it differently. In all honesty, we don't know how the other parties would have dealt with it, or if a different tactic would have been more effective or prevented more deaths. I am in agreement lockdown/strategies could have been approached differently, but I think whatever the government had done would have been criticised by someone regardless.

As I'm pregnant I for one have been thankful for the governments inclusion of pregnant women into the 'vulnerable' group as it made it very easy for me to work from home with no argument from my company, but I do think that a lot of people have lost sight of a difficult but important notion throughout all of this - nature was always going to win this one. Dealing with an unknown virus was never going to be a 'win' for us, the government, or humanity in general. Whereas different countries have had different rates of success in managing casualties, strategies and success rates have been largely down to luck, be it geographically, demographically, population density or otherwise.

As it stands I always read the different parties manifestos and then make up my mind at the time as to which party I think will be 1. The best for me and my family, and 2. The best for the country, and vote accordingly. I can only recommend that people do the same and do what feels right for them.

@SapphosRock nope.

Labour pledged to uphold and strengthen the exemptions that mean women and men can have single sex spaces, without that breaching equality law.

But they also stated that trans women are literally women, the second a male person states that they are. Which means, if enshrined in law as they promised to do, that a single sex space must include them if they want it to. And the pledge (which only Starmer failed to sign - I can't imagine how he won) said any women who argue that should be expelled.

So Labour actually committed to creating mixed sex spaces from single sex.

No way !

Labour pledged to strengthen and uphold the Exceptions in the Equality Act.

But Labour politicians believe "transwomen are women". They would, therefore, argue that transwomen have every right to be in women's spaces - and I think you know this.

I was a life long Labour voter, although have voted Green once, and Lib Dem once - but am now a ballot spoiler.

I live in Liverpool, where you could put a Labour rose on a donkey and it would win ( except in local elections where for many years there was a Lib-Dem council - as a result of the fiasco created by the Militant Tendency). My local MP Louise Ellman was bullied out by a mixture of Momentum activists and long standing hard leftists, and replaced with an 'appropriate' Momentum friendly candidate.

I will not ever be voting for her, but if a good local Conservative candidate was ever announced, who I liked, and had belief in, yes, I'd vote for them. in the more distant past Liverpool used to elect Conservatives, and tbh, the city needs to break out of its self imposed Tory embargo in order to move forward. Being perpetually at odds has done the city no good. and Labour has never really done anything for the city, either.

It's a good question and I don't know the answer. I've voted for all the parties over the years, because I'm a slightly left of centre voter whose overriding criterion is competence. On that basis, I can't vote conservative at the next election unless they assemble a competent cabinet and get rid of their lying leader. However, on social issues I am for the first time finding myself more on the blue than the red side of the centre, primarily because I can't vote for a party that has an MP stating that biological sex isn't real. Who knows, it's a long time until the next election.

My husband and I had this conversation this week.

Lifelong Labour supporters. Would never have voted Tory - the mere idea would have been abhorrent. Now? We will vote for whichever party commits to supporting women's rights as a sex class. Nobody should be harmed for the way they choose to live their lives, or simply who they are. That should go without saying - but it doesn't mean women should be forced to accept male bodies in women's spaces, or competitions, or provision, solely because that male person asserts a state of mind! They remain male. Sex matters, and it exists, and the narcissism and mass delusion of believing that Tinkerbell is somehow real if everyone just believes it hard enough is frightening. What the hell has happened, that grown adults are losing touch with literal reality? It's insane that we even have to argue it.

Women's oppression is based on biological sex. We have no choice over it. And the separate spaces we need are because we're vulnerable to assault, and the separate provision because we can't compete equally in sport and we aren't taken as seriously in a professional context. Males co-opting that by choice is not okay.

No woman should be expected to vote for a party that has complete contempt for her sex. I won't vote Tory unless they commit to protecting the legal definition of 'woman', and to strengthening and clarifying the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act. But yes, I will vote for them if they do, and so will my husband. This is a fundamental human rights issue.

I agree with the lockdown and think it was right but it should not go on forever.

I agree Boris was loathe to bring in the lockdown and it was maybe a week to late for london in particular as he is ultimately a liberal.