Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

@PrincessConsuelab

I have read the sequence of posts. Actually. You seem to think you occupy the moral highground by voting Labour. You dont. You seem to think this self identified elevation gives you the right to lecture women for daring to suggest they might vote differently to you. It doesn't.

No, you have out me, as an abused woman, down the list and it's you who is taking the superior tone.

Left wing authoritarianism - tell us what's good for us and we'll blody like it.

Next up - weaponising abuse

From what I can see it's not a welfare state vs maintain sex as a protected characteristic standoff.
If you redefine woman you redefine all the protections available to women. I can see how that can undermine women's access to welfare and services which help them deal with health, poverty, abuse and childcare etc.
We need representation to fight for all those things, do we get that without a definition of ourselves?
I really don't have a definite opinion on what I would do in the next GE, I am conflicted, there is more info I need to see and trust has been completely shattered on all sides quite frankly. Do I accept shit treatment of women but at least they call us women and we can fight from that positon? Do I hope for a fairer world but one in which women as a sex class don't really exist? Is that really fair?
I don't think you either care about recognition of the female sex or the welfare state, I think the two are part of the same safety net women are clinging onto for their lives.

Bizarre assumption that not voting Conservative must mean voting Labour carlottacoffee.

Doesn't anyone think it's idiotic that the Tories can pay lip service to women's rights by opposing the interest of trans people and use it to cover up for their years of incompetence.

They would be using trans rights and Scotland as a way to bait undecided voters into voting for them when in reality there are far more important issues. As a woman, I care more about cost/availability of childcare, education, NHS, the plight of single mums. None of these would ever improve under the Tories.

I know I will get flamed for saying this, but I just don't understand why Labour and the Left think they monopolise the moral highground. They look pretty intolerant to me.

Absolutely Thelnebriati

I'm sick to death being told I need to take one for the team. Fuck off.

The wheels will come off the TRA bus in the next 5-10 years, when all the ruined lives of all the poor kids hoodwinked into this awful ideology comes to light. In the meantime we need to stop it getting worse. If that means voting Tory, fucking damn right I'm going to do it, and will hopefully prevent some kids having their bodies mutilated and their health ruined.

And me and other women like me might be allowed some fucking dignity when we are getting changed, without being called bigots (or stupid) for having the temerity to think getting changed without males present is a reasonable expectation.

just heard on radio Kier (in response to Boris today) saying schools are safe to open fully to schools from Sep and he will work with (instead of against) the Gov to achieve this.
That is really really positive news as schools/ education for our children is a massive issue for me and I was fed up of hearing the unions oppose this. Hopefully that will get things moving for schools now.
If Keir carries on with this sensible approach then yes I will vote for him.
Assuming he also comes down firmly on the side of women and girls too.

Never. Well not unless they return to the proper one nation conservatism of the likes of Ken Clark etc. And then I could be persuaded as an alternative to the woke shitfest of the current left. But that doesn't exist any more.

really aren't anywhere near the moral high ground!

@PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

You don't occupy the moral highground. You have a political opinion. You don't get to wag your finger and lecture other women on how to vote. Women can vote for any party they choose for whatever reason. Nobody requires your permission.

How about people stop trying to remove rights from women, and stop pretending its progressive to do so?

I'm pretty left wing and usually vote labour or green.
A lot can change in four years, but if, hypothetically, the tories were the only major party to stand against all the TWAW bullshit then I would vote for them based on that alone.

It's not only the left's attitude to women that has alienated me, it's the authoritarianism

floisme

The authoritarianism. The nauseating self righteousness of many Labour politicians. And voters. The tedious demonisation of Conservative voters as literally Nazis. This is said by people who are so politically and historically illiterate, it is laughable. When Labour constituencies which had voted Labour for a hundred years switched parties last December, one would have thought it might be a catalyst for a sober review of what they are doing and why it is alienating millions of voters. Zero evidence of that.

Never have never will

Labour have lost me. I'm green

That’s not for me or my three daughters thanks.

There is no discussion with labour now. It’s a done deal. With Tory there is discussion and by the looks of this thread is drawing voters because of it.

Bollocks you are sorry
The unpalatable truth is that women always come at the back of the queue, often pushed there by other women. And we are supposed to be thankful and grateful for it.

No thanks

How about we don't treat it as a game? How about The Good People (read: non Tories) consider women as part of the solution, and not as the left overs to be swept up at the end?

Agreed. And that's going to require full acknowledgement of what austerity has done and what the Conservatives are going to continue to do to women every bit as much as it's going to require the same for what self ID has done and will do. It all needs putting out there.

Priveledged to be traumatised about getting naked around males? Yes, I am really privileged .

How about we don't treat it as a game? How about The Good People (read: non Tories) consider women as part of the solution, and not as the left overs to be swept up at the end?

And the fact is, not voting Conservative doesn't then mean you vote for a TWAW candidate either. There is no obligation to turn up, or to vote for one of the candidates on the paper if you do, and for all you know I might be planning to run myself.

Looking at this purely from a feminist angle, even if they were rock solid on women's sex based protections, which they are not, deliberately eroding the welfare state and support services disproportionately affects women. They have spent the last decade trying and will continue to try to transfer lots of functions previously provided at a societal level to women's unpaid labour
Agreed. If other people don't care about the welfare state being eroded then lucky you. You must be very privileged.