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Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

342 replies

cheeseismydownfall · 23/06/2020 07:21

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

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KizzyWayfarer · 23/06/2020 10:07

If you think the problem is that the opposition is not credible, do you genuinely think that the government is credible and competent? Brexit and now their handling of Covid have made us a laughing stock among other countries.

WanderingMilly · 23/06/2020 10:06

Yes, I would.
Couldn't vote Labour, they have nothing to offer. I doubt whether they would have done any better in the current crisis anyway.
Not sure the other parties have much to offer either although I would personally lean towards the Greens if I thought they could really do something.
To be honest, I'm not sure any party upholds women's rights as I would like to see it, but it's always going to be a compromise when it's my views against what the majority think/want......

Dances · 23/06/2020 10:05

There wont BE any women's rights if the TRA supporting mop get into power - the word women will not describe biological females but any person who 'feels' they are one.

The Tories might be damaging to vulnerable women, but the above is the ultimate damage - we wont exist.

For that reason, I would vote Tory. I am also sick of being at the bottom of the pile.

Also, Labour and SNP are treacherous incompetents. I can't understand why anyone would consider voting for them. The Lib Dems and the Greens are not even worth commenting on.

Nonnymum · 23/06/2020 10:04

Definitely not, they are incompetent, untrustworthy and uncaring

redcarbluecar · 23/06/2020 10:04

No. I can't imagine any circumstances in which I'd vote Conservative. If I felt unable to vote Labour I'd vote for of the smaller parties or simply not vote.

SapphosRock · 23/06/2020 10:03

God no.

I despair when people vote for a terrible party because they align with them on a single issue and brush over everything else.

Aside from the Brexit and Covid shit shows and the dismantling of the NHS, the Tories have a dreadful track record of supporting gay equality and as a lesbian I just couldn't.

No.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 23/06/2020 10:00

Never voted Tory.

Politically homeless thanks to the abandonment of women and girls by Labour/Lib Dems/Greens.

I might vote Tory if the local candidate was vocal on women’s rights/domestic violence and really got it etc.

But that’s it.

I would vote for the Baroness - despite political differences - but she’s now in the Lords.

Not sure who that would include in the current crop.

KenDodd · 23/06/2020 09:59

Well if 180,000 dead doesn't turn you away from them nothing will.

Binterested · 23/06/2020 09:56

I just don't know what theyd have to do before people stopped voting for them

People will stop as soon as there is a credible opposition. There isn’t. Keir has a very long way to go. The shadow cabinet are a bunch of goons. I don’t like a lot of the Tory cabinet and I know there is much dislike for Priti Patel but the letter the black Labour MPs wrote to her was mortifying. Incoherent identity rambling worthy of Fox and Owl. I’m embarrassed for them.

SlipperyLizard · 23/06/2020 09:53

Nope, would never vote Tory even though to do so is arguably “better” for me (if by that I mean I’ll pay less tax).

I live in a place where Labour can’t win but I really struggle to vote LD at the moment. I reluctantly voted LD last election to try to remove our useless Tory MP. Didn’t work. No idea how I’ll vote next time, but not Tory.

KenDodd · 23/06/2020 09:51

All these people saying they wouldn't vote Tory, I bet they still get huge numbers of votes. I don't think I've ever seen this much damage done to the country in my life than the Tories have managed in the last ten years. Even if we just list the deaths they've been linked to and ignore everything else.

Up to 120,000 deaths due to Tory austerity.
60,000+ due to covid.

Some of the covid deaths would have happened anyway even under better government but not anything even close to 60,000.
I just don't know what theyd have to do before people stopped voting for them.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 23/06/2020 09:45

No, the only way I’d vote conservative is if it was a choice between them and a far right party. Austerity has disproportionately affected women, I think the figures are 80-90% of those affected were this damaging policy is women.

andyoldlabour · 23/06/2020 09:43

I voted Tory for the first time in my life at the last election, mainly because of the other party's endorsement of and capitulation to trans rights.
However, as a previous poster pointed out, they have probably by their incompetence cost over 60,000 lives and left the UK with the 4th highest death rate in the World.
I am in that political wilderness again.

KenDodd · 23/06/2020 09:42

no deal Brexit - best summed up as the only time in history that a country declared punitive sanctions on itself.
Oh but think of all the money Rees-Mogg and co stand to make crashing the economy. I'm beginning to think Brexit was dreamt up by the Bullingdon Club for a laugh.

GracieLane · 23/06/2020 09:41

No IMO the conservatives parties policies and 'values' evaporate quickly once the price is right.

GreyGardens88 · 23/06/2020 09:39

Not if it's the same government in power no way

HandsOffMyRights · 23/06/2020 09:39

I spoilt my ballot in a Tory safe seat area.

While the Tories seem to be the only party that know what a woman is, the way they've handled the current crisis and Brexit makes my blood boil.

I feel politically homeless.

Apollo440 · 23/06/2020 09:39

You need to work harder on your right wing bigotry that the TRAs accuse us of because it really isn't coming across.

KenDodd · 23/06/2020 09:38

I feel they have handled covid as best they could

I do as well.
The problem is that we but a bunch of incompetent, liars who care about nobody and nothing except themselves in charge. We knew what they were like went we voted (especially BJ and add in lazy) it was plain to see. They could never have handled covid well because it's beyond there capability.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 23/06/2020 09:36

No Never! I’d never put myself before others

See, I always used to think this. I would vote for the party I thought would do the best for the most people. But I've now realised that women never, ever get to put their needs and wants first. Even asserting our legal rights as women is now deemed as hateful because we should be putting others (men) first. So now, I think FUCK THAT, and if there's one place that I absolutely will put myself and my needs first it's at the ballot box.

KizzyWayfarer · 23/06/2020 09:33

No no no.
Have people forgotten (or never cared anyway) about austerity? The welfare safety net dismantled so that people needed to rely on food banks, many more sleeping on the streets, local authority budgets slashed, the impacts on disabled people...
And they want to take us into the horror show of a hard / no deal Brexit - best summed up as the only time in history that a country declared punitive sanctions on itself. Makes a total mockery of the idea that Conservatives are supposed to care about the economy and prosperity.
On Covid - I think Labour would have been less reluctant to impose lockdown than the Tories whose ideology is all about individual freedom. But that’s a guess, whereas the damage caused by austerity in the past and predicted damage of Brexit is backed up by vast quantities of reports and statistics (including those pointing out that the impacts have fallen hardest on women).
Boris ‘lies about everything and generally incompetent’ Johnson is just the icing on the cake.

GameSetMatch · 23/06/2020 09:33

No Never! I’d never put myself before others, people are living in poverty the Tories don’t care!

Mascotte · 23/06/2020 09:31

No. They are untrustworthy and self seeking. Because of this and the woke stuff I couldn't vote for anyone.

Immigrantsong · 23/06/2020 09:30

As an immigrant in the UK, even after 21 years here I am not allowed to vote. Even so, I would never ever vote for Tories. How can anyone forget Grenfell, Brexshit, no PPE, wanting to cancel free school meals, a Prine Minister that referred to Muslim women as letterboxes, black people as pikaninies, gay people as bumboys and working men as feckless.

CaraDune · 23/06/2020 09:25

I'm tempted by the spoilt ballot paper option, but always very aware of the fact that the US equivalent (voting for fringe no-hopers because Hillary wasn't "pure" enough) is what let Trump in. So I personally feel like I have a moral obligation to vote for the "least worst" even when all the options are a complete shit-fest.

Boris and pals clearly couldn't govern a primary school fete, much less a country facing the worst pandemic in a hundred years. Part of the problem is that in an effort to (a) avoid anyone vaguely competent who might throw his incompetence into stark relief and (b) a need to surround himself with yes men and women, Boris has appointed a cabinet of raving incompetents. Would a better PM with a better cabinet have made a better fist of this? Probably. It would be hard to do worse.

But it also depends on what Keir Starmer can do. Can he get rid of the far left? Can he move Labour away from virtue-signalling purity spirals and onto actually doing concrete good for traditionally left-wing issues? Can he deal with antisemitism and misogyny within the Labour party?

The Lib Dems continue to be a joke. Looks like Layla "I can see into souls" Moran will be leader/ co-leader, and she's about the one person I can think of who can make Jo Swinson look like an intellectual heavyweight.

The Greens think I'm a "non-man" so they can do one.