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Authors quit JK Rowling's literary agency

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donquixotedelamancha · 22/06/2020 16:22

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/22/authors-quit-jk-rowling-agency-over-transgender-rights

The ever entertaining TRA power couple Fox and Owl were apparently represented by the same agents as the wonderful Ms Rowling.

They, along with some bloke called Drew Davies, have severed ties because the agents refused to issue a public statement slagging off their biggest client.

Being bastions of professionalism they left by telling the guardian.

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LillianBland · 28/06/2020 16:44

Anyway, those comments are 100% behind that article. For the ‘wrong side of history’, it’s starting to get pretty packed. 😁

LillianBland · 28/06/2020 16:42

@Igneococcus

I get a site claiming to be BT saying I'm one of 10 customers with a chance to win an iPhone, yeah right.
I was getting that when I tried reading the DM comments too, but it has stopped now. That’s the one that spams Mumsnet too, sometimes, though it hasn’t for a while.
Igneococcus · 28/06/2020 13:58

I get a site claiming to be BT saying I'm one of 10 customers with a chance to win an iPhone, yeah right.

chilling19 · 28/06/2020 13:53

The mail has been hacked with some kind of spam code. All I get is a dodgy looking ad for vodaphone. This has been the case for at least a couple of hours.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 12:48

I don't know, maybe my antivirus software is being overzealous. I am guessing ipads/macs generally aren't as open to this type of hacking, but I'm far from knowledgeable on the subject.

donquixotedelamancha · 28/06/2020 12:41

I don't understand! Is he an actor playing a character called J Pie?

No. That is Tom Walker who created and plays the character.

Doyle has worked on a number of scripts with Walker.

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Lamahaha · 28/06/2020 12:33

The article is fine on my laptop. I use Chrome/McAfee

Lamahaha · 28/06/2020 12:31

He created Jonathon Pie? You mean he IS Jonathon Pie?
I don't understand! Is he an actor playing a character called J Pie???

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/06/2020 12:26

That's odd Scrimpshaw. Is ok on my ipad.

Helmetbymidnight · 28/06/2020 12:25

my pc has broken(?) it is a coincidence, isnt it?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 12:22

It was working - I opened the article and started reading. But then my antivirus forced it shut - yes, it's done it again. Just exercise caution. It says 'fake comments' - I can't take a screenshot of the warning message but it's coming up on AVG/Firefox.

Helmetbymidnight · 28/06/2020 11:58

what? he's titania AND pie?!

i did not know that.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 11:56

Hm, I googled for Andrew Doyle's DM article, started reading it, and then got a sudden crash and a message from my anti-virus that it had aborted a threat. Has somebody hacked the page?

KetoWinnie · 28/06/2020 11:54

Wow! Well hopefully it signals the dogs called off JK

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 11:39

Every day's a school day!

SonEtLumiere · 28/06/2020 11:37

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SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 10:49

Hadn't realised he was Titania!

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/06/2020 10:41

Andrew Doyle is the creator of Titania McGrath
a fictional 24-year-old "radical intersectionalist poet committed to feminism, social justice and armed peaceful protest" who identifies as non-binary, "polyracial" and ecosexual.
He named her after the Queen of the Fairies because he thinks the Woke are utter fantasists
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania_McGrath

He also created Jonathan Pie

He's very very funny

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 09:48

Thanks Keto, found it.

KetoWinnie · 28/06/2020 08:46

The Daily Mail!

They had plenty of the type of article he is refering to earlier in the week.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/06/2020 08:38

@Keto where is that article published?

KetoWinnie · 28/06/2020 08:35

Anybody see Andrew Doyle's article about JK today?
Never heard of him but article is mocking those who demonise her for "radical" beliefs that men and women have different anatomies.

TyroSaysMeow · 27/06/2020 23:22

It’s clear to us where he stands and what he believes, which is that trans people aren’t who they say they are

Pretty sure no one is denying that Fox and Owl are, y'know, Fox and Owl. It's more a case of disagreeing with what they say they are.

So are those two hypothetical men suffering from the same condition, just to a different extent and with differing abilities to process it in a psychologically healthy way, or are these totally different and unlinked?

Of course they're linked; they're both instances of men internalising sexist stereotypes about femininity and failing to adequately separate stereotype from biological reality. Standard bloke stuff, in other words.

Plenty of difference too, obviously - the latter group are likely to have faced rather different behavioural policing from their peers, and I'd charitably call them confused and in need of feminist consciousness-raising rather that actively malevolent. But at heart it's sexist stereotypes all the way, regardless of whether it's a case of getting off on the shackles of our oppression or just happening to like stuff that our society codes as pink.

KetoWinnie · 27/06/2020 13:36

@LillianBland

I wish them the peace of the middle aged woman.

Oh, I love that line. 😁

Wine

brilliant!

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