Queeriods. "How to talk inclusively about periods."

You're not wrong, Andy, but most fetuses don't have any chromosomal checks performed on them and so sex is 'observed at birth' - sometimes earlier in the risibly misnamed 'gender scans' but they're not 100% reliable and so it's the observation at birth which is recorded as definitive I believe.

I had an amnio because of my age, so they did check which type as well as count them, so I knew for sure I had a girl at ~20 weeks (I've forgotten exactly when). That the exception rather than the rule,

What you're absolutely right about is that sex isn't 'assigned' at birth - it's an inherent (in the most literal way possible!) characteristic.

I have been really confused by some of the terms used to describe where a baby's sex is "assigned" or "observed" at birth, when in reality, the sex of a baby can be observed by ultrasound at around 14 weeks of gestation, and generally happens at around 7 weeks when the expression of a gene on the "Y" chromosome starts the little journey to the development of testes.
When I was finding more linkable information on this, it was rather sad to see the number of sites which used "gender" instead of "sex".
Sex begins in the womb - the biology of sex.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/

Actually they can just fuck off. Men are ok to be called men, but women can't be called women because the men who want to be women won't allow it?

Live and let live applies to trans women as well.

What's wrong with 'women' and 'trans women' as terms?

I remembered Mother's day and thought I wonder how they tried to make that inclusive. This is what I found on twitter " I’m disgusted by your transinternationalphobic comments, Titania. We, here in the American continent, celebrate all peoples of mother on May 12th of this year, 2019"

Just wow. Peoples of mother!!!!

Transwomen: "stop talking about our genitals"

Yet at the same time menstruators, cervix havers, vagina owners.

Ruby cups could have solved all their woes by just asking what sex the survey-taker was. Why do they want mens opinions on period cups anyway? For a company that sells products purely for women they sure care about mens opinions a lot!

Its becoming harder and harder to buy menstrual products, will end up making my own at this rate

For all the menstruators here, past, present and future:

I demand that adverts for Lynx, viagra and Gillette start using women.

Oh they do, as prizes for men's use of the above products.

Actually it would be nice to see more trans women in that role. Surely TWAW so why aren't they more represented as love interests for successful men in Male-targeted advertising?

Musicforsmorks It is continuously trending to be seen as on the button with women’s issues, but not to give two fucks about poverty, slave labour, trafficking, bedroom tax, animal welfare, fascism (unless it impacts women), young people’s future, climate change, etc

A fine example of what-about-ism, thank you.

I have noticed that the trend now is to be seen as an ally to people who do not give two fucks about women's issues. I must have been living under a rock or something.

To what extent this was originally an ethical movement that was taken over by those who saw it as a useful trojan horse by which to attack women and remove their rights, or to what extent this was always the core belief and purpose from the start for those with the power - you'd need to talk to one of the serious historians here who know the evidence well.

How come men get left alone to just be men without being scolded? Am I missing that aspect?

You've spotted it. This is a men's rights movement with a nice coat on.

And it’s so right on, women’s issues, women’s safety, women’s health, yet none of you Seem to care about this come a general Election.

Clearly not talking about us - it was a subject for weeks - agonising over the problem that there wasn't anyone to vote for who'd uphold our rights (except possibly the conservatives, which seemed a step too far for most), plenty of us spoiled our ballots as a result, some held their nose and voted for the least-worst, but we all discussed it, and acted according to this issue.

How come men get left alone to just be men without being scolded? Am I missing that aspect?

I think it must be a reference to everyone having been gestated in a uterus, but it's not clear.

As a post-menopausal former menstruation and cervix haver, a parent and grandparent (must change my name!) I'm not quite sure how I'd be labelled by the super-woke allies.

Probably an irrelevant, ugly old TERF for still expecting to just be a woman without caveats. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I'm not sure I even understand some of this!

And men can be androids

I read it as Queer-oids, maybe to go with your post-pregnancy haemorrhoids and your uterine fibroids?

Start with 'nonsense' and work from there?

Maybe Men in Black should be called 'Penis in Black'

Queeriods?? I cant even begin to find the words to frame a suitable response!!

I can't decide what I want to watch this afternoon.
Perhaps, Person in Black or What Persons Who Menstruate Want....
Where will it end?

Think about the two approaches here:

• I identify as ( ) and feel excluded by labels that don't mention my particular specific needs, so would like you to add my chosen phrase (and those of everyone else's) to 'women' on labels so I feel more part of society.

• I identify as ( ) and feel excluded by labels that don't mention my particular specific needs, so would like you to remove all reference to female people, and enforce a complete rewording of reality on everyone for my own benefit to imply that menstruation has nothing to do with being female for anyone at all, regardless of how erased or discarded this makes some female people feel.

From a purely marketing point of view, which one is going to get support and which is just totally going to piss off the main customers?

The whole 'person with uterus' and 'person with penis' is problematic though isn't it? A friend's DF had his penis removed due to cancer, many people with a uterus become people without a uterus.

Can we come up with another term which is less fixated on bodily organs. I'm sticking my neck out here but can I propose 'woman' and 'man' as suitable, if controversial, terms?

So what about trans-men?

Honestly I wish transmen would just realised they are being played. Adapting things for transmen is nothing but a bone being thrown at us , to give the impression that its transmen and either for biological women being behind this.

When in fact no one gives a shit about women no matter how they identify and this is all to appease males.

That sounds a bit more like extinction rebellion than feminism