the fox killers latest tweets

twitter.com/ExcelPope/status/1275092606750466048 This is cool though. I bloody love Excel Pope. The replies too

He's taken leave of his senses.

Just over 2 years ago, he donated 100 quid to Jennifer James's crowdfunder to "keep Labour's all-women shortlists female" - using words like "fair" and "women's rights. He promptly got flayed alive by TRAs for it.

But the about-turn is incredible - he's gone full-on TRA. Blocking all these women - it's something to behold. A complete disregard for women's voices.

I do feel quite generous towards people particularly caught up in this and being especially aggressive because it does include some very dear friends who are acting entirely out of character.

I think they feel transphobia is like homophobia; and I think they have a very contorted definition of the word transphobia, which seems to have a very high bar of accountability - 'agree with us completely, no debate, or you are transphobic' ....

Even with JK, the temperature of the trans rights debate is still pretty luke warm outside of a few communities and groups of people. There are a few very passionate trans activists, a few very passionate advocates for women's rights, a few misogynist bullies and some highly offensive transphobic people, but most people really are pretty apathetic and are happy to parrot whichever message is loudest and more trendy for a quiet life....

I get some grief, and some people are interested, butthe reaction I get most is disinterest; distracted by something else; subject change....

I feel a sort of creeping horror at all of this. How is it that something which affected a tiny number of mostly male people, has become a movement powerful enough to restructure society, deny science and reality, and have so many acolytes ? What has really been the agenda, the removal of women’s rights ? The blurring of age boundaries and consent ? The normalising of “kink” ? There is serious money behind this, surely.

Kimono Killer must have a child in his family caught up in trans stuff, I have thought that for a while. He has been brainwashed by one of the orgs. He doesn’t seem to have much mental flexibility or to be able to grasp nuance. He is very black and white in his thinking. He certainly is an odd person.

Hung like a tic-tac apaz

We can’t expect reason from a man who bashed a fox to death with a base ball bat and then boasted about it on Twitter.

Anyone who thinks Keira doesn’t deserve redress for the terrible wrongs she has suffered is the sort of transphobe who does cause people to die. The basic argument is that it is so awful to be transgender and transgender people are so desperate that they should accept any old crap without complaining because other people are desperate enough to want the treatment she had because it is something.

At this point this is really looking like a serious personality flaw that the fox killer has that social media is amplifying and making more obvious to those who otherwise may not have noticed. He's just a thoroughly unpleasant human being.

Mermoose but but suicidal ideation. Despite the fact that suicidal ideation including when it stems from tokophobia is not treated with sterilisation.

because of Maugham's tweets, I was just reading about UK laws affecting medical treatment and I came across this, which I understand is in UK law at the moment:
"Another safeguard was added by the Bolitho case, where a requirement was added that a course of action, even if supported by a responsible body of medical professionals, must also be capable of “withstanding logical analysis”."
(theconversation.com/why-the-saatchi-bill-has-been-flawed-from-the-outset-49404)

I don't understand how the Tavistock is acting in accordance with this? Gender identity can't be logically explained, unless you take the Blanchard typology, which doesn't support affirmation for kids.

And my question is this; if those under 18 are not capable of consenting to taking puberty blockers, what does that mean for their ability to consent to having an abortion?

What an incredibly nonsensical argument. You could just as well say "if children can consent to puberty blockers then what does that mean for their ability to consent to sex?".

"Be careful what you wish for" - is quite clearly, as PP have said, a thinly disguised threat. Unfortunately for the Kimono QC we're not stupid enough for it to work. I give this tweet a C minus - must try harder.

No because elder care is not really a woke cause and it’s mainly women doing it anyway so not worth camping on that territory. You never see OJ speak about elder care - it’s not one the woke bros like to signal about.

Trans rights are parasitically attached to every existing cause they can hijack. Black lives matter, women’s rights, sex education, the right of children to consent to medical care, gay rights, disabled rights, mental health campaigns, period poverty, prostitution. Where they can’t hijack it they undermine it or attack it if they think there might be a conflict like FGM. It’s very clever and an incredibly effective use of propaganda. I’m surprised elder care hasn’t been colonised, maybe it has.

Seen this being used a lot recently. If you disagree with kids being put on dangerous drugs long term because they play with the wrong toys, you clearly do not care about abortion.

Not sure what having an abortion has to do with chemo drugs being given to kids like but..ok.

Saying kids cannot consent to this..will not arm abortion rights, they are very different things.

Seems more of the usual trying to make out GC feminists are actually right wing Westboro types tbh

TRAs seem pretty incapable of proving anything tbh. Great at hyperbole, feelings, distorting data and taking offence to anything that doesn’t centre them though. Unfortunately they have had great success in positive media representation and stealth regulatory capture with these techniques.

Anyone questioning let alone challenging them is automatically the evil enemy of the most oppressed. The public are fed with images of blossoming pretty children or attractive transwomen who are assumed to be attracted to men and have been so terribly unhappy at being male they have had genital surgery. This means anyone pushing back against trans rights has the media appeal of a right wing homophobic child hating kicker of puppies.

No, as far as Maugham is concerned, this is just a handy stick with which to beat feminists. I think it's unfortunate that feminist campaigns have engaged a Christian anti-abortion lawyer to act for them when they could have chosen a feminist lawyer. The TRAs will use it to "prove" that feminists are in league with right-wing evangelicals in the US. This is something that Fair Cop and the rest could have seen coming.

It's not quite that simple. Trying to get a 'progressive' firm to take on these cases is incredibly difficult. It's the same in the US and Canada and why the Connecticut athletes and the Sikh women defending against Yaniv were forced to to use conservative law firms to defend themselves.

Women and girls have a right to legal representation but so many legal firms seem not to recognise that. If we refused all the help we are offered then that leaves us with no recourse to litigation.

SinclairLaw and Paul Conrathe have also taken on a case against the government for discrimination against the elderly and disabled in relation to Covid care home deaths. Does that also mean those people are 'far right' by association?

I've seen how trans rights has become increasingly welded to women's rights. In America, the same ruling that allowed doctors not to hand out puberty blockers also allowed them to refuse to carry out abortions. TRAs were able to sell this as 'feminists MUST support genderism'.

Studies of brain and body development during and post puberty are very clear about the brain impacts.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5612369/

That is really interesting, HH.

People who take blockers can miss the window of puberty - so, are they forever juvenile and therefore unable to give informed consent?

Are we condemning people to a life of immature thinking?

I am genuinely worried about these kids and the pseudo-adults they become.

He's an awful man, and has shown appalling lack of judgement here.

I can't believe that he's now chosen "medicalising children" as the hill he's prepared to die on. There is no merit at all in the comparison with abortion rights in the UK.

twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1274595631940722689

It’s always worth mentioning that post puberty transgender medical treatment is different for male and female patients. Blockers are generally not continued for female patients regardless of surgery.
They are continued for male patients who have not had their testicles removed because without them the androgens do their job and add height, change bone structure, change facial bone structure, body hair etc etc. It’s the blockers that prevent the undesired physical masculinising of the patient in the absence of testicular removal.

My own theory is this is why there are fewer male detransistioners. They are unlikely to go through the pubertal brain development that stopping blockers allows. I’d be interested in a study that showed whether detranistioners were on a different medical/surgical regime that impacts androgen function.

Why is a specific group of teenagers deemed capable of consent to sterilisation? That’s the parallel and it is not equal

Kids as young as 2 know their gender but 13 year olds are lead by bigoted parents of they dont believe in gender and want to fight for their sex based rights.

They never do make up their minds