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Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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ItsLateHumpty · 26/08/2020 14:22

Which ones!?! 🙁

Do you have links to the deleted threads?

What did MN tell you?

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fatblackcatspaw · 26/08/2020 13:16

I've had two threads taken down... today

buttonhole · 25/08/2020 13:29

They just don't want us reading newspapers and getting ideas.

DeaconBoo · 25/08/2020 12:54

Usually on threads relating to specific ppl in the news i can see why they get taken down, out of sensitivity if nothing else, but this really seemed like a reasonable discussion about the law re parents and their children's frozen gametes and a previous case in California that i hadn't known about. The child's gender, as many posters pointed out, was almost irrelevant. Anyway i don't want to turn this into a post about a thread, I'm just more bewildered as to what guideline was actually broken by quoting the headline.

ItsLateHumpty · 25/08/2020 08:44

Rufus and the OP are on the case, and I’ve just added to the noise in site stuff. We’ll see.

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OhHolyJesus · 25/08/2020 08:10

FGS I was just looking for it.

I can't see what guideline has been broken but I suspect there wasn't one and someone just reported it. Might be worth asking for clarification but would probably be ignored. Increasingly it's not about the guidelines at all. It even says 'transgender' and all in public domain.

It was a really reasonable discussion I thought.

ItsLateHumpty · 25/08/2020 07:52

Another deleted thread re (quoted as reported) “...a mother planning to launch a landmark legal case to preserve her daughter's frozen sperm so she can have a grandchild.”

Message from MNHQ: Sorry folks, this one breaks the Talk guidelines from the opening post so we've taken it down for now.

The opening post was just quoting the reported headline. Will threads now be deleted rather than have the OP edited if we use links or headlines?

Google search of ‘Mother of dead transgender girl sperm‘ returns more than one newspaper result with that heading. The mother in question is quoted.

Dunno if it’s worth me adding it to the thread in site stuff re deletions as they’ve stopped responding to the thread anyway.

Obvs don’t want to hash out the rights / wrongs / use of pronouns here. I’m just wondering at the apparent push to just shut down discussion on FWR.

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nachthexe · 25/08/2020 06:50

Thanks @ArabellaScott
Bookmarked Grin

Winesalot · 24/08/2020 18:18

Real life concerns.... you betcha.

OhHolyJesus · 24/08/2020 14:38

Oh bugger.

ItsLateHumpty · 24/08/2020 14:36

AMA / surrogacy thread had been deleted - OP has real life concerns.

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OhHolyJesus · 24/08/2020 13:10

Oh sorry is that what your meant Chatty - it's a resources thread so sort of like a break it down for me thread. Maybe that's something I need to build up. Been working on something else which is 'coming soon' so maybe once complete I can come back to this.

OhHolyJesus · 24/08/2020 13:08

Oh yes, here it is - a good reminder for me to add to it actually.

Surrogacy Resource thread : please post your links here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3782983-surrogacy-resource-thread-please-post-your-links-here

ChattyLion · 24/08/2020 12:29

OhHoly oh I see. I don’t go on the Surrogacy board so I missed that. I’m glad the AIBU threads are still with us.

Have we got a ‘break it down for me’ on surrogacy type of thread anywhere? I saw some posters had suggested that and I feel like that would be a useful place to park news items or other relevant stuff. i would happily post links to other threads that there have been historically on there. Maybe a thread like that exists already back from Rumplestiltskin thread days, or earlier, I don’t know. But your doxxing and fleeing story sounds both horrific and important to include on a thread like that. It does worry me how many voices are excluded from mainstream media coverage on this issue.

OhHolyJesus · 24/08/2020 11:45

It was a fairly recent one Chatty on the Surrogacy board. A poster looking for a cheap deal and it got reignited by a genuine poster also looking around shortly after.

The OP on the AMA thread sprung up on the Ukraine thread Sat late night saying how good an experience she had in Ukraine and how it was better regulated than U.K. Confused but after I posted the news story of the fleeing, doxxed surrogate mothers it was deleted. Then the OP started the AMA thread at that time and got handed her arse.

The AIBU threads about the abandoned babies in Kiev remain, think there were 3 the weekend the story broke.

Angryresister · 24/08/2020 10:20

Weird postings in the toilet thread...

ChattyLion · 24/08/2020 04:28

So, we know generalisations aren't ok - I have no argument with that, clearly it's wrong to associate trans people in general with something that only pertains to a subset of a heterogenous group under a wide umbrella. It also seems that being specific about individuals isn't ok either. How are women supposed to navigate the space between - the subsection of people identifying as TW who appear to have this trait? It's certainly not ok to have a situation where women feel they can't risk having a discussion for fear of strikes if they overstep the invisible and variable line.

Errol you hit the nail on the head exactly with these points, totally agree with you.

ChattyLion · 24/08/2020 04:15

Oh no OhHolyJesus which Ukraine thread has gone? Your threads are really important as resources for updates on media reports, open discussion, all of it.

ArabellaScott · 23/08/2020 20:03

It's lush! Bit early, mind you. It's more apple chutney time of year, I'd say. Unless you're a saddo like me organised and buy marked down cranberries in January and freeze them til late autumn.

EchoCardioGran · 23/08/2020 19:40

I'm minded to try that recipe Arabella. It must smell heavenly.

KnowingYou · 23/08/2020 18:43

Chowder?
Chunder?

ArabellaScott · 23/08/2020 18:42

nachthexe

Okay, seeing as you mentioned Xmas -

Cranberry and Mandarin chutney

punnet cranberries – about 350g(?)
2 tbsp red wine vinegar –
2/3 cup sugar (I use brown/muscovado)
half tsp cinnamon
half tsp ginger – ground
quarter tsp allspice
pinch ground cloves
chopped & peeled apple
zest of a mandarin, chopped finely, and a squeeze of juice.

Boil it all up for about 20 minutes or so. Check for balance of sweet/sharp, adjust sugar/vinegar to taste.

I'm very vague with quantities, do check and adjust to taste. This goes (at the risk of getting certain MNers overexcited) very well with cheese, especially Wensleydale.

OhHolyJesus · 23/08/2020 18:40

The Drewit-Barlows www.mumsnet.com/Talk/surrogacy/3814566-the-drewit-barlows

Pertella · 23/08/2020 18:38

What's the difference between chutney and relish?

OhHolyJesus · 23/08/2020 18:16

Just found the AMA that was posted last night - bloody brilliant posts! Now I get what the only deleting OP posts was about. I agree it would be best left and just locked, would liked to have seen OPs posts on that one!